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08-22-2017 02:32 AM  16 months agoPost 141
Chris Bergen

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Take them to task and hold them accountable, after all, they are supposed to represent all of us with the AMA.
Absolutely correct. Attend the meeting(s), ask questions, even run for office. That was the same suggestions thrown out when people were complaining about the previous (pre 2002) President.

And when you do, in ten or so years when you start getting complaints about how things are run, then YOU can answer those questions...

Good luck!

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08-22-2017 09:30 AM  16 months agoPost 142
finless

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LaDon.... PLEASE read back a few pages and see where Charles explained that after 15 years as an IRCHA President, they retire with a "motorhome of their choice"...

THESE are not my words but from Charles.... Now after 15 years of service and all the hard F'ing work that I know goes into these (trust I have an idea)... Not really that bad... And I would not be really that upset about that with limits. BUT... HOW IS THIS BEING PAID FOR? and why does it not show in the IRS filing or in any books? There is money not reported to anyone going into as Charles said "The IRCHA retirement fund". Based on known IRS filings we all can see, where the hell does this kind of money come from for a motorhome? And you don't care? I find that interesting...

As far as people putting in hard work like this for events for nothing... HAND RAISED! I will be doing yet another funfly Sept. 16th for nothing! Like I have been doing for over 10 years now.

Chris Bergen.. As for the raffle thing... I think you know who I know and why I know what I do... Well, maybe I think you do... Not sure???

I would never throw my reputation out the door and make a false claim like this. In fact what I said happened... Happened!

In the end I do not care who believes me or not! But as I stated, because of what I saw as a n00b to IRCHA, I won't be back until something changes.

It's as simple as that.... Integrity is everything to me!

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08-22-2017 01:54 PM  16 months agoPost 143
Chris Bergen

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Actually Bob, I don't.

But I do know what T-shirts cost, and I know what a t-rex 600 kit cost.

And my math says they don't add up..

Now, did it happen as you say, possibly. But I think there's more to the story.

I also know there was a time where one of our donated kits was won by a sponsored pilot of a competing company. That pilot, instead of saying draw again, took that kit and immediately sold it. I was not happy. He took a $1200 kit and sold it for $300...

So, I suggested that IRCHA change their policy for major donations, restricting these prizes from sponsored pilots, giving them only to unaffiliated pilots. OR, we would no longer be offering items for the raffles.

If the company that gave the t-rex kit was upset at the way that kit was given out, let them deal with it. Otherwise, I suggest that these offerings are given to IRCHA to disperse as they see fit. I may not agree with how they give these donations away, and If I have an issue with it, I no longer give donations!

Likewise, as you have stated, if you're not happy with how the Jamboree is run or who's running it, then you are not attending. That's absolutely your right. But if you want REAL change, then YOU should run for office in IRCHA.

The BS and infighting displayed here on RR is NOT helpful to the hobby in general, and as something I am no longer really involved in this is from an outside view looking in, but with certain knowledge of my own, as YOU well know.

BTW, if you can't tell that the remark about the motorhome was sarcasm, we REALLY need to talk...

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08-22-2017 02:32 PM  16 months agoPost 144
LaDon

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Finless how I read the motorhome deal was he was giving a smart aleck response just to wind ppl up. Really seriously a motorhome of their choice. You can really believe that can you? Let's see of my choice. Well I am not buying a $50000 motorhome. I want one that is maybe 2 or 3 million. Hell its free so why not. Sorry but no I don't believe the motorhome deal. I think that was just a response to get a rise out of you and other ppl that would believe it and obviously it worked.

Do I think they are making money. Hell yes I do. Am I worried about it? No I am not. I go there to have fun and meet new ppl and see old friends. They give me that opportunity.and I don't expect them to do it for free. Is it corrupted some? Hell yes show me something that isn't in this world today. You can't find it

As far as the IRS goes I haven't checked but I am betting these nonprofit deals are audited quite often. Are they hiding money? Probably just like about every american that files taxes. Amazingly our taxes do pay the IRS wages so they might as well do something for it so yes they can check on it. Another good reason for a flat tax but that is a whole different debate

Like Chris said get involved and fix it if you don't like it. He is also right on a lot of other points.

Team Jr

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08-22-2017 02:46 PM  16 months agoPost 145
EEngineer

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"It's as simple as that.... Integrity is everything to me!"

Perhaps you should have spoken up years ago before things got so out of hand....

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08-22-2017 02:49 PM  16 months agoPost 146
EEngineer

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"As far as the IRS goes I haven't checked "

"Are they hiding money? Probably just like about every american that files taxes. "

That almost seems like an admission of filing an incorrect tax return....

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08-22-2017 02:59 PM  16 months agoPost 147
Mark Ryder

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Too much drama.

Mark Ryder

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