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08-01-2017 07:37 PM  14 months agoPost 1
Mputu

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Is anyone one else experience frustration with Neo? I never spent this much time just setting/ tuning up a tail, and to figure out how setup Jr radio to work Neo, it was another nightmare. I thought new technology suppose to make things easier but it seems like with Neo it might require Master in Science. I think the system works better with Vbar control and electric models but a pain in the ... for Nitros. I have a Black Nitro 700 with an OS 105 and OS tune pipe, building the heli took about three days, but with my limited time, adjusting the tail is taking for ever and already burnt about a gallon. I have 3 other heli with Vbars Blue and Silverline and it took no time to set those up, actually they flew great after the initial setting.

I just need a second opinion before I get rid of it or trade it for an old version.

I will appreciate any feedback (If anyone ever setup and Neo with Nitro heli).

Looking for help on setting up tail and Gov.

What other flybarless system that is out there that compete with Vbar besides Bavarian Demon?

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08-01-2017 08:47 PM  14 months agoPost 2
Chuck Bole

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Never mind you said you were using a JR Radio..
sorry
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08-01-2017 09:22 PM  14 months agoPost 3
EEngineer

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I could be wrong, but I think it's tailored for the VControl.

Have a JR12X, but am using that TX with MiniVs and Silverlines.

Perhaps, if you post questions on the VStabi site forums they might be of help....Rainer Vetter has always been very good at getting you answers.

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08-01-2017 10:20 PM  14 months agoPost 4
Dan Minick

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What exactly is the problem?

Did you buy the NEO new or used?

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08-01-2017 10:35 PM  14 months agoPost 5
NQNA

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Contact Mikado USA and talk to Ronald Thomas in vbar support. He will help you out. He is also on RunRyder

https://rc.runryder.com/rr/member.h...fo&userid=47131

Phone: 844-4-MIKADO

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08-02-2017 01:29 AM  14 months agoPost 6
Mputu

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What exactly is the problem?
Did you buy the NEO new or used?

I bought it new not used.

I have three major concerns with it.

1) I understand that the NEO is design with Vcontrol in mind, so there is no Bluetooth option any more, however it makes it hard to go back and forth as you are trying get the right settings; in my case the tail and Gov.

2) The system has very limited instructions on how to, specially when you enter the advance mode. It took awhile before I can get it sync with my JR9303.

3) The system has preset throttle curve for Gov and Normal mode which makes it hard to setup with other radios. Setting up the gov was little challenge even though it seems easy. Wit JR radio, if you raise the ptich curve on lower end, it does affect the throttle as well.

Collected few knowledge on the forums (helifreak) but it was not enough. The General tweaking posted on Vstabi web should have been at-least as part of instruction manual.

I think I figured out the tail as I lower the Collective-add on Gov mode. It was hard to keep the tail straight without the head drifting CCW. OS 105 was one of the reason "too much power".

I have decided to use my old Silverline with my new Goblin, will see how it goes.

I still love Vbar but not the new software with Neo.

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08-02-2017 01:59 AM  14 months agoPost 7
Dan Minick

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I understand that the NEO is design with Vcontrol in mind, so there is no Bluetooth option any more, however it makes it hard to go back and forth as you are trying get the right settings; in my case the tail and Gov.
While this is true, the software works the same as it always has. I never had a Bluetooth on all my old blueline units and this is what we did, adjust, test, adjust, test, ect.... May I suggest a cheap sub 200$ netbook to take to the field with you to make tuning easier? I have one ill send you for free if it helps.
The system has very limited instructions on how to, specially when you enter the advance mode. It took awhile before I can get it sync with my JR9303.
Again, nothing different than the old vbar's in my opinion. The language translation is rarely smooth. The software has never been great at helping you if you dont already know what your looking for, thats where the vstabi website has always filled the gap. When the NEO first came out I was attempting to setup a turbine with Vcontrol. There was NO information anywhere, but the Vstabi forum team had me answers in a matter of days. They even developed software to accommodate my needs.

What did you hope to gain buy using a Neo over the Silverline? Rescue?

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08-02-2017 03:57 AM  14 months agoPost 8
EEngineer

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For me it was that the JR12X and JR's DSMX were discontinued.

So, since I was using VStabi FBL controllers, I just upgraded to the Vcontrol system with the Neo.

Am still a "Neo"phyte, but am learning.....little by little...

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08-03-2017 11:24 PM  14 months agoPost 9
Mputu

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May I suggest a cheap sub 200$ netbook to take to the field with you to make tuning easier? I have one ill send you for free if it helps.
Thanks for the offer Dan, I do have a Surface 4 that I use and yes it is convenient and I have the luxury to do in my backyard, however, not everyone can do that. That brings me to my other point, the Cost. Even though the unit is fairly cheap, but it gets little pricey to have $200 note book with you in the field. I never needed a laptop or notebook in field with Silverline or the Blueline (I have all three now). Yesterday I installed a Silverline that that I pulled out of my Trex600N to Blacknitro700 and it flew perfect, first fly with no adjustment needed.
What did you hope to gain buy using a Neo over the Silverline? Rescue?
No, I think rescue option is for newbies and those who who are not sure about their skills. If you are hardcore pilot rescue options won't save your machine anyway "that's my opinion".

I Purchased the Neo because it was cheap and my used Silverline I bought awhile back from here at RR was defective. A friend of mine recommended the Neo but he fly electric.
nothing different than the old vbar's in my opinion
Well I will disagree, I think the governor option on the main Menu is different with 5.3Pro to include advance mode. The GovI and II also looks little different. With 5.3Pro you can set you headspeed at GovII setup, with Neo this is done on the Gov Main Menu and your throttle idle is setup there as well. Banks1,2,&3 assignment is different as well and if you are not using Vcontrol, It is hard to figure it out. (Thinking about making a video on that just for Jr users). I can go on and on...

Like I said earlier, I still a big fan of Vstabi but I wanted to put my frustration out there.

I appreciate all of your inputs.

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08-03-2017 11:34 PM  14 months agoPost 10
Mputu

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For me it was that the JR12X and JR's DSMX were discontinued.
I hope Jr will came back with their Radios, I am still a JR fan when it came to radio. Neo is easier to use if you have their radio as well.
Am still a "Neo"phyte, but am learning.....little by little...
I will do too, but as much as I wanted to fly my new machine, I think the Neo tested my patient.

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08-03-2017 11:46 PM  14 months agoPost 11
Dan Minick

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That brings me to my other point, the Cost. Even though the unit is fairly cheap, but it gets little pricey to have $200 note book with you in the field. I never needed a laptop or notebook in field with Silverline or the Blueline
To be fair, using Bluetooth you likely brought an even more expensive device with you, your phone. Those with Bluetooth capability take it for granted when they already had it in their pocket

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08-04-2017 12:03 AM  14 months agoPost 12
Mputu

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Dan,

Your are absolutely right.

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08-04-2017 12:19 AM  14 months agoPost 13
EEngineer

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TX

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"I think the Neo tested my patient."

And patience, too....

It's just the learning curve....gotta keep current....lol

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08-04-2017 02:54 AM  14 months agoPost 14
RyanW

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Sorry you are frustrated. I know the non-VControl interface can be a little challenging. As other people have mentioned, the Neo was designed solely around the VControl and it is my impression that it was never meant to be used on a non-VControl platform. I don't know if it was demand or the desire to discontinue the mini-VBar, but they did eventually open up the Neo to be used with other systems.

Because of this I think you are seeing that things might not be as seamless as they were before. I know many pilots, including those who have replied on this thread, have started with a non-VControl radio with a Neo, then switched and realize how simple the system really is. I am not trying to convince you to spend more money, but it would be good to experience the total system as it was design if you have the chance.

Hope you get things worked out!

-Ryan
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08-04-2017 02:05 PM  14 months agoPost 15
Richardmid1

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I gave up on setting the nitro governor on Vbar and used an old faithful Align governor.

60% of the time, it works every time!

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08-04-2017 06:42 PM  14 months agoPost 16
Mputu

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Ray,

thank you for your input and I appreciate your view and advice. I think I will end up getting Vcontrol in the near future. I would gone with Bavarian D... but I just not comfortable using something with the word "demon" on my Heli. I am stuck with Vbar.

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08-04-2017 06:48 PM  14 months agoPost 17
Mputu

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I gave up on setting the nitro governor on Vbar and used an old faithful Align governor.
I guess it depends on the system you are using, if you are referring to Neo than you got me, but other Vbars, I never had any issue with the Gov setup. Gov works fine and I am happy with it. I am just currious, what Vbar system are you using and what type of RPM sensor were you using with it?

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08-07-2017 10:57 AM  14 months agoPost 18
Richardmid1

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Oh it was a couple of years ago now it was an old blue Vbar and I can't remember what sensor but I think it was crank based. The instructions for setting the governor up were overly complicated but I followed them to the letter and the governor did work fine but the power of the heli wasn't quite what I had remembered despite LOTS of tuning flights. I did nothing other than change to an Align gov (hold button down till light flashes, move to full throttle and wait till light goes solid, DONE) and the heli had noticeably more power.

60% of the time, it works every time!

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08-08-2017 02:23 PM  14 months agoPost 19
dialarotor

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Thumbs up on Align governor
It just works and way simpler than GV1 or Throttle Jockey

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08-15-2017 08:53 PM  14 months agoPost 20
Ronald Thomas

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You can call MikadoUSA tech support any time

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