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07-28-2017 02:48 AM  4 years ago
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I heard they actually have a Navy Seal that is one....well, an ex-Navy Seal
and he probably has a T shirt that says "I would rather be wearing a tootoo"

the thing here is, as the old saying goes "give them an inch and they will take a mile", and they did,,, Take Back America
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07-28-2017 03:18 AM  4 years ago
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But I do know if you are healthy enough and willing to serve with honor and distinction, your gender preference shouldn't be an issue as long as you don't detract from the mission.
lets get real here about this topic

I know one thing, this topic is not just about the Gay's, if they should or if they should not, what about the straight men in the Armed Forces, if I was in the Armed Forces, and I was in a ditch, crawling in the muck and mud and my friend yells over and says to me "hey Jim, I saw Gay John looking at your a$$ in the shower",, at that moment and second in time I would no longer be good for the Armed Forces, I would never be able to focus again, I would have to quite
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07-28-2017 02:18 PM  4 years ago
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none of this TG, TS, Gay thing has anything to do with why the military is set up the way it is...

It all has to do with cohesiveness among the individuals... this can only truly happen among individuals who all think the same, act the same and generally believe in the same things.... basically a like a gang, flock of birds, school of fish, army ants, chimps on the hunt, lions, wolves, ISIS, Mothers Against Drunk Drivers...

When you throw in an individual that is different, be it a female in an all male group (or even a male in an all female group) or an individual who openly identifies differently from the group (religion, appearance), the cohesive nature of the group begins to fracture. You then find yourself having to make exceptions to rules, do things differently, you now add more effort into control and guidance to get the same work done as you did before and end up with more "what ifs" to cover for.

All this is time and money and has a marked effect in stressful situations where the group must operate with little guidance. Sure this "diversity" works in training situations... but the same setup ends up with different results over time in combat situations where true stress and honest fear are significant factors where individuals are prone to breaking rules, lashing out and generally looking for a natural leader that identifies with their needs.

wana serve, go ahead, but keep your sexual issues to yourself... if you cant then get the F&*K out and join a group that identifies with your needs... the military's responsibility is not to mold to your needs, its the other way around.
showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...
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07-28-2017 02:33 PM  4 years ago
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07-28-2017 05:15 PM  4 years ago
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and he probably has a T shirt that says "I would rather be wearing a tootoo"
You don't really believe that do you? c'mon...
the thing here is, as the old saying goes "give them an inch and they will take a mile", and they did,,, Take Back America
Take back America from who exactly?

Once you have taken it back, to whom is it rightfully returned to exactly? White males possibly? Maybe we should step back in time to the good ole' days of the 1950s again yea? c'mon.

I never liked that "Make America great again" slogan because it seemed to have a cloaked meaning based the company present. "Take Back America" sounds strangely similar.
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07-28-2017 05:57 PM  4 years ago
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I will never agree to have TG's serve. Heck, I had to hold my breath to the 'don't ask, don't tell' policy, but I could at least live with that.

As I get older, I grow a little wiser and soft hearted. But I will not ever bend to that. Nor should the Military bend to allow Gay Marriage. Marriage in the military is somewhat of a nightmare already, now lets throw that crap on it.

Liberal America: Preach what you want, but leave our Military alone.
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07-28-2017 06:04 PM  4 years ago
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Take back America.

To me it means for the past few decades we have been in the hands of a bunch of folks who don't have good plans. Very little of it makes any sense. Ignoring immigration law, or any law for that matter, shipping jobs off overseas... Pretending they can solve global cooling, warming, warm cooling, change.. with Global cooling zippy doodle bit coin redistribution. Tons of nothing burger, gay marriage for example, such crazy noisy fuss, but only a few thousand actually got married afterward. The worst part was they go after Christian churches who generally do not believe in gay marriage, interfere in religion for millions, which they are not supposed to do, and to top it off they give Muslim churches a pass... The insanity has gotten so bad that no minutia is too small to be twisted and blown up to be a world wide catastrophe. A numbskull gets into a fight with cops on a plane and the CEO of United has to go to China to calm down an entire country? Seriously? The whole world has completely lost its marbles.

The main thing for me is that for almost 30 years I have been working in manufacturing equipment. Watching thriving plants close down here and move abroad. All the politicians shrug their shoulders and say some crap about the greatness of Globalization. Globalization has never looked great to me, and the governors have thrown away all the knobs and levers to provide any form of trade balance and thrown away their responsibility to do so. As clumsy as Trump may be, He gets it. My turn.
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07-28-2017 06:15 PM  4 years ago
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The only way ANYTHING is coming back to the USA in terms of jobs... is to Sanction ourselves...

these jobs are NEVER coming back as long as we allow goods and services to come from abroad.

Globalization was inevitable given the advancement in technology, transportation and interconnectedness of everything.
showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...
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07-28-2017 06:23 PM  4 years ago
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It all has to do with cohesiveness among the individuals... this can only truly happen among individuals who all think the same, act the same and generally believe in the same things....
Being like-minded is not always the best solution to a situation. Having a group where everyone thinks exactly the same leads to eminent failure because the group can not progress. The like-minded group will then cease to exist in short order to a more forward thinking group that had a different approach that they would have not thought of.
Sure this "diversity" works in training situations... but the same setup ends up with different results over time in combat situations
You watch too many Hollywood WWII and Vietnam movies bro...

You speak of "diversity" like it's some motivational speaker's gimmick. Like I said. YOU NEED DIVERSITY to progress. It allows for multiple approaches to solve one problem versus just one. This, in turn allows the group choose the best option to affect the best possible outcome. In a group where everyone thinks the same even if one has a different idea, they are less likely to voice their opinion out of fear of breaking the norm.

So what you really need is mutual respect among ALL the members of a group so each member feels a desire to contribute to the entire groups success. Any member who feels insignificant, trivialized, disrespected, or ignored will likely not contribute to a group. Any member that perpetrates negative behaviors as such indirectly contributes to the failure overall.

This isn't stuff I just made up...the DoD teaches this stuff from E-1 all the way up to O-10.

Have you taken any leadership courses lately? Just sayin...
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07-28-2017 06:59 PM  4 years ago
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According to government records, we spend 8 million a year on transgender medical care. And no we do not pay for their surgery, it is elective.

At the same time, we spend 141 million a year on viagra and erectile dysfunction each year so men can get a stiff one.

FYI, transgenders put their lives on the line and die for our rights just like every other soldier, yet our idiotic government has no problem taking way their right to serve for our country.

And when did new laws or regulations get announced via twitter? Luckily our Secretary of Defense said trumps tweet will affect nothing. And of course the Pentagon was blindsided by trumps tweet. Once again proving trump lied and did not get the ok for anyone in charge to make this stupid decision.

It is a good thing that we have a draft dodger telling the military how to operate.
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07-28-2017 07:02 PM  4 years ago
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Key Words: 'ex-Navy Seal...'
So do you think he decided to be transgender after he served his time in the military? All of a sudden after he served in our forces he decided he no longer wanted to be a man? He was still a transgender while he was serving, he just hadn't started the surgery. and he could have died for your rights.
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07-28-2017 07:10 PM  4 years ago
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Hillary smashed her phones.

For the love of GOD, will somebody PLEASE tell Hillary to stop by the White House and smash the fecking sh!t out of Trump's phone!

Another damn nothing burger.
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07-28-2017 07:30 PM  4 years ago
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Have you taken any leadership courses lately? Just sayin...
you obviously have no idea... see my gallery. Im a combat vet with multiple deployments... I didnt sit in inside no FOB, hide in rear-D nor push pencils as part of my PT test, field training nor day to day operations in Taji, Route Senators, Counter IED ops near Rustamiyah, Falahat or Sadr City..

when you have males wishing they were females and visa versa, that BS has no place in combat... stress in those situations does enough damage over time, an individual with an identity crisis needs to remove themselves from such situations.

group politics have no place... we take orders and follow them, When I say think alike, act alike Im referring to the mission at hand, the mind set of a warfighter..., and when not in combat the mindset to improve ones skills as a warfighter, not that of what efforts should be taken to "become" an individual of the opposite sex, or behave like one.

the one who needs leadership courses is you.
showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...
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07-28-2017 08:28 PM  4 years ago
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You speak of "diversity" like it's some motivational speaker's gimmick. Like I said. YOU NEED DIVERSITY to progress.
"Diversity" as utilized now days, means that the real value of any group of people - be it a social group, an employee group, a management group, army, whatever - is based on diversity. This is a favored liberal ideal because diversity does not require an individual’s abilities or character, but only a person's identity and status as a member of a group. Within this great diversity movement, group identification - be it racial, gender based, or some other minority status - means more than the individual's integrity, character or other actual qualifications. What a load of crap and one of the primary reasons we, as a nation are where we are today.
The older I get, the fewer things seem worth waiting in line for.
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07-28-2017 09:03 PM  4 years ago
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...couldnt have said it any better.showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...
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07-28-2017 09:03 PM  4 years ago
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Take back America from who exactly?
Liberal dog turds who pussified the nation with PC bullcrap.
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07-28-2017 09:05 PM  4 years ago
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These homos are confused freaks who could have kept their sexuality at home and private, but chose to become a freak show and make their personal choices public.

Fact is most of the world is normal, and we don't like mouthy freaks
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07-28-2017 09:07 PM  4 years ago
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just another opportunity for some of you to parade your biases, and be on the wrong side of history. There are too many stories to name of people who voluntarily went into positions for which they faced tremendous discrimination from their own side and yet went on to have distinguished careers, (and many of them in the military) and set the foundation for others to follow. Instead of whining about some imagined scenario, be thankful that during our history we have had all kinds of people willing to challenge the status quo and still were able to leave their mark.

Or do you want to be the B17 pilot who refuses to shake hands with the fighter pilot responsible for his safe trip home for no other reason than he is black?

Sometimes you guys sound like the chatter that one would hear in a 1960s hair salon.
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07-28-2017 09:09 PM  4 years ago
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He was still a transgender
You do not know that. But you just want to mouth off.

People change their lives, their lives can evolve.

Reality is

He was still a freakshow

he was born a man and will die a man, whether that freak likes it or not
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07-28-2017 09:12 PM  4 years ago
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Sometimes you guys sound like the chatter that one would hear in a 1960s hair salon.
and you sound like you work in one, otherwise how would you know...
showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...
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