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03-23-2017 02:02 AM  18 months agoPost 1
CitationX

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Hey guys. Finally getting back into RC helis after being out since the days of the Fury Extreme, JR9303, YS-91ST, Futaba GY611, etc. Basically about 7-10 years behind the times.

Now that so much of the industry has gone electric and I am a strong believer in spending the money on a nice setup, my helicopter choice will be a Logo 700. The research I have done, which includes viewing countless videos, numerous articles, forum threads, etc. as well as a couple of conversations with Ron Thomas at Mikado USA suggests that the V-Bar Control & NEO would be a great way to top off the kit. It sure seems that going Mikado all around (heli & radio system) would be a lot easier just from a ease of setup perspective.

So why the hesitation you might ask? The predominant radio system at my local field tends to be Spektrum with BeastX. My somewhat "weak" excuse tends to be that radio system assistance is readily available given the amount of experience and commonality the other heli guys tend to have. That's pretty much it.

I have no doubt that the Mikado system is top notch and very simple to navigate when setting up and tweaking any heli. Not to mention that once the Logo 700 is ready to go it requires little to no adjustments. Set it and forget it. I should also say that my flying skills are VERY limited. I am more about flying simple circuits, loops, rolls, & autos. I think it is cool to fly it like a scale machine. Basically, this thing will get a very easy ride is what I am trying to say.

Therefore, I am really just looking for suggestions, opinions, and whatever constructive criticism you folks want to offer. I may post a similar message on the Spektrum board but will wait to see what comes thru in here. Perhaps I just need to be pushed over the edge to finalize my decision!!

Thanks

Nick

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03-23-2017 02:54 AM  18 months agoPost 2
cudaboy_71

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Heh..just last year I upgraded from my 9303 to vcontrol.

And, I'm flying the logo 700 now, too with the NEO. I can say this: NO REGRETS. Not for any of it.

I had some inside intel on the new Jeti system prior to its release when I was evaluating a new radio purchase. (it's as close as anyone else has to RX based fbl programming at the moment) and I still went vcontrol. And now that I've seen the jeti in action with all it's bells and whistles I still have no regrets.

Sure, like any new radio, vcontrol is going to take some getting used to. And I've been flying vbar since 2006...there's still a learning curve. But if you're coming off of flybars and mixing arms you've got some catch-up to do. Methodologies are a bit different. But if you go in with an open mind (and an open liquor cabinet) you can make it through.

I'm the only member flying vcontrol at my club. But if I have a question either RR or HF has the answer in less than 24 hours...usually quicker.

If you're committed to getting a top shelf rig you will not be disappointed with vcontrol, NEO, or the new L700.

if it ain't broke, break it.

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03-23-2017 03:23 AM  18 months agoPost 3
DemetriusUSN

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I've had my JR 9503 for years and probably won't get rid of it. I tried a 14sg and just didn't like it because it's a different language from Spektrum but I bought a Vcontrol and neo's. ...I love it! I had a vcontrol before the 14sg, sold the vcontrol for it, sold the 14sg to go back to the vcontrol. It's so simple to set a model up and it flying in minutes,it's unreal. I love the feel of it, the functionality and everything else. You can't go wrong with the Vcontrol...just my 2 cents...

Minicopter Diabolo 800, Minicopter Triabolo 700, Minicopter Diabolo 700, Minicopter 550,Compass 6hvu, Devil 380

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03-23-2017 03:36 AM  18 months agoPost 4
HeliMan Dave

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Welcome back. Great choice on the Logo 700!!!

If you're getting a Logo, it's really a no brainer.

The V-Control, NEO and Logo all go hand-in-hand.

There are presets on the V-Control for all the Logo models so it's practically plug and play. Well, not quite P&P but it's about as easy as it gets in this caliber of the hobby.

I've been FBL since 2010 and it's so much easier to build and set up than those ancient flybars.

If you need any help, there's the forums (including V-Stabi) and if you've already talked with Ron, he's the guru! He will make sure you are successful.

Like Cuda said, there's also HF (and here) to help. I'm personally not on RR as often anymore as the traffic has really died down.

Make sure you watch the how-to videos on Mikado's pages. They are very helpful if you've never set up a V-Bar.

Diabolo 700UL / Logo 700 / 600 / 500 V-Bar NEO / Oxy 2 / Blade 180CFX / mCPX BL / Nano / V-Control

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03-23-2017 04:25 AM  18 months agoPost 5
iyoy

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Bacolod City, Philippines

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Citation X
Everyone else at your base airport flies either Challenger 300, Honeywell and Collins Proline 21 or, Gulfstream G200, PWC and Collins Proline 4. You get a good offer for a Citation X, RR 3007 C1 and Garnin G5000. Your boss is Arnold Palmer. Which do you choose?

iyoy

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03-23-2017 09:49 AM  18 months agoPost 6
CitationX

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Danville, IN

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Radio Decision - Mikado!
Thanks guys for all the positive feedback. This is the type of information I am needing, i.e. guys actually flying the equipment (regardless of model) I am looking for. I have no doubt the Spektrum stuff is very good as well. I just think that going ALL Mikado makes sense.

With that I think the decision is made. Although I still would like to understand all the "with v-link/without v-link" stuff. I have 1 electric airplane (Sig 4-Star 120) that has an AR7000 receiver (I think) that may or may not need to be swapped out with something Mikado to make it easier to set up with V-Control. I tend to think the V-Control will accept the AR with no problem. When in doubt, ask Ron.

Cuda hit it right on the head regarding any question I have just pop it on RR or HF (or Mikado direct) and bingo, answered in less than 24 hours. That is huge. Not to mention if it comes down to Ron Thomas he is about as enthusiastic as it gets when it comes to Mikado. He loves talking this stuff.

OK, now "iyoy" threw some stuff at me that is a bit outside the RR boundaries. Iyoy, you guessed it, I work for Rolls-Royce and have a pretty intimate knowledge of the AE3007 product line, including the AE3007C, C1, C2 engines. Arnold Palmer (God rest his soul) took the 1st delivery of the Citation X way back in about 1997 or so. Today's Citation X+ is a real hot rod at Mach 0.93. In the role I am in now I only hear about the "bad stuff" so I won't go any farther.

Thanks for the feedback guys. My mind was pretty much made up before my post but I always like to hear from guys with far more experience than myself. No problem spending the money. Prefer to get the right equipment from the get go.

Nick

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03-23-2017 02:28 PM  18 months agoPost 7
iyoy

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Nice one Nick. Go for it!

iyoy

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03-23-2017 04:46 PM  18 months agoPost 8
cudaboy_71

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Re: vlink / non-vlink

Think of vlink as the antennas in a spektrum setup. With vlink the antennas are built in to the NEO like the AR7300BX line. Non-vlink is just a standalone FBL unit. With the non-vlink you can get the vcontrol sat from mikado and use vcontrol radio, or you can plug in futaba, spektrum, etc RX equipment and use any radio you like.

The non-vlink is a little cheaper. But if you're planning on using vcontrol you need to buy the sat which raises the price back up. The only advantage might be the ability to route the antennas somewhere else using the extra length of the sat cable. But with the logo 700 it's unnecessary.

You touched on this point: you wrongly assumed you can just keep your your spektrum stuff (like your plane) and use the vcontrol. Only recently has mikado accommodated non-stabilized flight. You can now use the V control basic receiver that comes with your V control transmitter as a pass-through device. Hardware-wise it is a full NEO unit. It can be upgraded (at an expense) to a full NEO, with Pro or Rescue if you choose. But, as it ships it bypasses all of that and functions as a receiver only that you can use on your plane(s). In other words, you will need a NEO unit, or upgraded vbar in one flavor or another for every aircraft you fly with Vcontrol.

Another option for planes is to pick up a used VBar. Nearly all produced units with the exception of the original billet aluminum unit can be upgraded for free to the V plane software. I've seen older vbars for as low as $50 on the forums. With this method you would still need a V control satellite. but, now you Have flight stabilization and auto trim using the gyro sensors.

In short: the only thing a vcontrol TX can communicate with is a vcontrol RX, whether it's via vlink or mikado satellite.

if it ain't broke, break it.

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03-23-2017 06:53 PM  18 months agoPost 9
EEngineer

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TX

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Welcome back....^5s.

I have a Logo 700 XXtreme. Whether you go with V-Control or not(I'm using an old JR 12X Tx with a VBar "Silverline" FBL and JR DSMX satellites...V-Control wasn't out yet), the 700XX is a great heli.

Cruises like a Cadillac and maneuvers like a Porsche....

Using a VBAR(whether MiniV or full-size VBar), I recommend upgrading to the "Pro Version" software. It's only $30 to $40.
The V-Control may already have this feature included. Ask Ron.

As others mentioned, the ease of setup of a V-Bar FBL on your heli will astound you with its simplicity(takes some getting used to) compared to an FB heli.

By all means, create a free account on the VStabi site, as their forums are specific to VStabi and Mikado products. Another valuable resource for info.

Logo 600SXs, 800XX, TDR IIs

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03-23-2017 06:56 PM  18 months agoPost 10
EEngineer

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TX

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"open liquor cabinet"

LOL....you too?

It did take some getting used to....but now I've been "Mikado-ized".

Logo 600SXs, 800XX, TDR IIs

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03-26-2017 04:18 AM  18 months agoPost 11
rcflyerheli

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Granbury, TX USA

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I was all Spektrum, coupled with Vbar blue/silver and minis. Then I decided that since I was flying the Vbar units in my helis, I might as well go ahead and get the Vcontrol. I highly recommend it if you are going with a Vbar or Neo.

One thing that I didn't see mentioned was the ability to do program changes from the TX right on the spot, even while you are flying. I'm not that brave to try to do it while airborne, but it is a possibility. But it is really easy to land, tweak your settings and take right back off to check your mods.

The Vcontrol works great with aircraft also, and can give you a stabilized platform on your machine, or can be turned off at your choice.

I still have my Spektrum transmitters, and I do fly my flamewheel with it, but otherwise everything else is Vbar and Vcontrol. I wish you luck on your decision and hope everything works out as you desire.

Goblin 700, Trex 700DFC, Gaui X7, Logo 690SX, Logo 600SX; Trex 470 Trex 500
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