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03-14-2017 09:08 PM  17 months agoPost 1
Tim W

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So I'm lookin for opinions on scale heli options. I currently have two scale helis. A 700 size Roban 429 and a 700 Bell 206 Jet Ranger with Align mechanics. Now I'm looking for a third one to add to my hanger. I've considered the Vario UH-1D huey but got a little discouraged because they do not offer it in a kit i.e. mechanics included. It appears that you have to buy a lot of components separately and the cost adds up substantially. This is not to say that a scale heli won't cost you a lot to begin with. But it sure seems like the Roban line of helis does make it A tad bit easier do to the fact that all you have to worry about is the electronics.

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03-14-2017 09:28 PM  17 months agoPost 2
goodhunting

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Vario is a builder's kit and requires a substantial amount of work. Roban is a quick fix (not meant in derogati e way)... and it does come with all components....
But then again so does Vario but you do need to purchase them separately.

If you're set on Vario's UH-1 then check the fuselage for Trex 700 mechanics. Simple to adapt your Trex mechanics and still get to build the Vario's kit...

Gh

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03-14-2017 09:38 PM  17 months agoPost 3
Tim W

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Yeah, I was wondering if Align 700 Mechanics would fit into a Vario fuselage. It was my understanding that they build these to fit their mechanics?

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03-14-2017 09:40 PM  17 months agoPost 4
Mojave

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If you want to keep it simple and affordable, get the 800 size Roban Bell 412 kit. Easy, fast build, lots of built in details, hidden mechs, rotor head and blades included, high quality cockpit is included, nav lights, open cabin, batteries under the floor, rivets, cool paint schemes to choose from... The list goes on.

If you want the challenge of a long term project, go for the vario kit. Yes it will cost you more in the long run, but if you enjoy the challenge of building from a pure kit, go for it. Vario makes a UH1D kit specifically for the Rex700E mechs. It's PN 2057. You can see it on East Coast Scale Helis website.
Barry

All helis and planes have an expiration date stamped on them...you only find it after you crash!!

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03-14-2017 09:46 PM  17 months agoPost 5
goodhunting

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I am currently (still) building the Vario Bell 412 kit...
If you check my thread you'll see the pictures of different mechanics in front of the fuselage. I tryed Trex 600, Trex 700, Skyfox and finally opted for hanging mechanics from Vario...

One successful option is to use the goblin mechanics with a drop down mechanism... Joe sells a nice set... you can leave the cabin open...and still make it work...

And as Barry noted... Roban 412 is the same thing... but a little bit different..

gh

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03-14-2017 09:46 PM  17 months agoPost 6
Tim W

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Yeah Barry, I might just do that.....thanks!

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03-14-2017 10:45 PM  17 months agoPost 7
Musky

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Tim , I am building a 212 vario and putting in 700 goblin mech in it you can see some of the photos in gallery Berry is correct Vario if you like to build and have you own input in the put come have them both like them both next project will be a Len cobra I think the all look great

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03-14-2017 10:45 PM  17 months agoPost 8
47fan

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Roban just released a UH-1D in 800 size and I have a white one. Overall I like the fuse, but of course the term "superscale" is rather loosely applied. My plan is to take the Roban as a starting point and upgrade the heli to a specific aircraft. I've seen it done a few times and the results can be very good. Mike

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03-14-2017 10:51 PM  17 months agoPost 9
Tim W

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Yes, I have seen it. But the nose isn't correct(a bit to long) for a UH-1D. Plus the color is way off. But if you get the white one you can paint it yourself.

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03-14-2017 11:31 PM  17 months agoPost 10
47fan

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I agree Tim. The nose is not blunt enough, but I'm thinking that with the black on the nose (can't really call it an anti glare panel since it's gloss) it would work. And yes, the factory OD is gross. The nose is not as bad in person as in the photos.

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03-15-2017 05:58 AM  17 months agoPost 11
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Musky

how did you fix the front of the mechanics? Are you getting any significant vibes?

gh

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03-15-2017 06:10 AM  17 months agoPost 12
Star1

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The Roban 800 size UH1D model Huey looks like crap. The nose is way off and the lines just don't flow. Even the top dog house looks like crap. The 412 they offer looks pretty good. Spinner had his 800 size Roban 412 at the last Scale Masters and I had my Vario Huey. When they are side by side they are the same in regards to the size. Minor scale differences, but they are both really close. To me the Vario kit appears to be better quality, thus you can fit a gasoline engine. I think the Roban would fall apart if someone added a gas engine, but then again most people had electrics now in days.

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03-15-2017 09:54 AM  17 months agoPost 13
Andy01

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I would suggest that a Vario Huey might take 3-4 times the budget (probably more if you go with all Vario parts and accessories) and maybe a few months of solid work to get a nicely detailed finished heli airborne, whereas the Roban is maybe a couple of days work at a fraction of the price.

Without pricing it up, I would suggest that a set of Vario mechanics, tail drive parts, angled gearbox, rotor heads & blades would cost a fair bit more than a complete Roban kit, and you haven't even bought the fuselage, scale detail parts, painting etc etc.

So they are a completely different class of product in a significantly different budget category, mostly aimed at a different market.

Almost like comparing a pod and boom 700 with a detailed scale 700 - one is a quick kit assembly and the other is a full build project.

Colin

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Seahawk 600
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03-15-2017 02:57 PM  17 months agoPost 14
Tim W

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Yes agreed Colin, there is a fine line between the two. One thing that baffles me about the Vario set up, is the mechanics price is ridiculous! And you still have to by more of it just to make it work! On the other hand the scale fuselage when completed does look pretty authentic and accurate.

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03-15-2017 03:59 PM  17 months agoPost 15
ssmith512

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One thing that baffles me about the Vario set up, is the mechanics price is ridiculous!
You are not required to use the Vario mechanics in a Vario fuse. You are free to use whatever mechanics you want. That's joy of actually building a scale ship vs. assembling a kit.

Note, I like the Roban's, I have one. I love the way it fly's and how it looks in the air. I also have a large scale Vario that I have been working on for 2 years. And I have enjoyed every minute of that build. Two completely different things/price points/work involved, but I have/am enjoying both.

IMO, you cant go wrong with either.

Steve

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03-15-2017 05:02 PM  17 months agoPost 16
Musky

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You must support the front I will send some pic all made from carbon fiber plate and flat carbon spars that tie into the side like the real one or close as I could get .

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03-15-2017 06:24 PM  17 months agoPost 17
goodhunting

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OK. Would be interested to see how you solved this. I made a "vitroplast" plate and reinforced the sides first with carbon strips and I also made sideplates (to mimick the real one) out of the same material as the top plate.

Seems to work fine.... for now...

Gh

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03-16-2017 05:57 AM  17 months agoPost 18
Star1

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If I was in the market for a D model Huey I would only buy a Vario because that is the most accurate as far as appearance. Again, the Roban D model looks like crap. If I was looking for a 212 or N model Huey I would also buy Vario for the same reason. The top of the dog house on the 212 from Roban does not look right. If I was looking for a 412 I would buy the Roban because they got the looks correct on that one and it does look scale. By far the Roban 412 is a good deal. So it just depends how much $ you are willing to spend, what variant Huey you want, and if it looking scale is important to you or not. Now if you really want scale then Len Mount is the way to go, but they only have the C model Huey.

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03-16-2017 09:47 AM  17 months agoPost 19
Andy01

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Agreed on the mechanics prices - they are obscene IMO, and the other bits like rotor heads, TT drives, even blades are no better.

And Steve is right, you don't have to go with the fuselage manufacturer mechanics, but it does make it easier and much quicker. I have a Baumann EC-145 fuselage and decided to fit a Goblin 770 mechanics into it, which took some work, but it fits and it works well.

If you are prepared to put in the extra effort to buy a collection of bits from many different places and engineer them together, you can save a lot of money. It does take a lot longer, and there is often blind alleys etc where some back tracking and experimentation and trial and error required.

Colin

Vario Long Ranger 700e
Seahawk 600
UH-1N 500
Baumann EC-145 800+ (coming soon )

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05-02-2018 11:45 PM  3 months agoPost 20
digikas

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I have Vario Cobra fuselage with custom made machanics using mostly KDE parts and Align parts, I then adapten the mechanics I made with the tail system of Vario, works great so far !.
Now for the New project, I will fit Roban mechanics on a Vario fuselage CH53, as the mechanics goes I will fit Roban mech with Vario Tail system, I alway opt for Vario tail system because its flexible and can be adjusted to the fuselage length as needed, also you can tilt the tail up or down as required and finally because it does come with the fuselage kit usually.
I always use Vario Rotor heads and tail rotor heads to make sure It will sustain the load of the main blades. By doing this process I always save a thousand dollars by not going complete Vario mechanics.

Scale life or no life !

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