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04-28-2017 04:22 PM  15 months agoPost 21
knightofcarnage

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Ok Its offical released

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05-12-2017 02:24 PM  15 months agoPost 22
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Looks a Fab model

Authorised UK Agent for TSK Helicopters

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06-16-2017 10:31 PM  14 months agoPost 23
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No way Align is having another penny off me until they properally fix the tail issue .
The upgraded cases are still flexing .
This longer tail is going to put even more load on them especially running bigger main and tail blades .
Align you have cost me a lot of money rebuilding my new 700x in March this year because of tail failure !!
You totally lied even from the factory there was any issues then weeks later released the red gears and stronger cases !!!
Your after care sucks and it's all about the money !!!
After basically buying 2 kits because of the cost I'm still left with fast wearing out front tail box gears !!!
When there's a problem send the upgrades out for free like Sab and admit it !!!
Don't wait for people to crash then make more money on the spares then charge them again for upgrades because your product don't work .
Rant over !!
But Sab at the moment because of your aftercare my heart is with you .

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06-19-2017 11:03 AM  14 months agoPost 24
Richardmid1

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This longer tail is going to put even more load on them especially running bigger main and tail blades .
Longer tail boom would mean less or equal load on them actually as there is more leverage, plus slower head speeds than the 700.

As flying and head speeds have got increasingly more aggressive over the years Align have really beefed everything up and as a result parts prices are through the roof! £25 for ONE 700 main gear! This is the main reason RC helis are dead!

Everyone has adopted this American attitude to always blame someone else and demand refunds or sue!

In the past if you were breaking stuff in flight you accepted you probably hadn't put it together right, or you were simply flying too hard, or your head speed was too high and you went out and got the relatively cheap spares.

I watched Tamas Lavardi at Helifest this weekend and he couldn't keep a heli in the air of more than 30 seconds without failures! Not a good advert for MSH but then ANY heli would have failures the way he flys so I do not judge MSH based on this.

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06-20-2017 07:21 AM  14 months agoPost 25
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That's total bull **** ?
I had not put it together correctly ? Lol
That's y they immediately tried different gear compounds that also failed they beefed up the cases that also failed !!!
And now in desperation have released a shim kit !!
What I ment was that running a longer tail boom now means bigger blades , thus more forces needed to keep the tail straight .
Sorry but in my case your wrong

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06-20-2017 07:31 AM  14 months agoPost 26
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Also what about Align taking responsibility ?
Last year I bought a Sab nitro and it had loads of issues
But Sab instantly excepted it and sent out loads of upgrades free .
This year I bought the 700x when it first came out , with in 6 weeks they new they had a problem and were trying new red gears , which they then started selling .
Then they obviously were getting desperate as it must of cost them then to alter there moulds to make new cases .
After this short period of time do you really believe Align didn't know they had a problem with the tails ?
They should have told every one with there new 700x kits to supply the frame number and they will get the upgrade parts free !!
Not make even more money on there screw up .
Honestly this year Align have hit me in my pocket and after many emails to both the suppliers here in U.K. And direct to the factory they have definitely changed my opinion on them and it's not been for the better .

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06-20-2017 08:41 AM  14 months agoPost 27
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I was not talking about you directly, just in general and looking at it from Aligns point of view.

SAB had many more issues per kit sold than Align so they had to do something about it for free and wouldn't have been that out of pocket for doing so.

We should just accept that we are pushing the limits of plastic torque tube gears and either back off the head speed or buy a belt driven tail heli like the Goblin.

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06-20-2017 01:33 PM  14 months agoPost 28
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The problem is that they have to be fit for purpose .
If you watch any of the factory pilots flying / advertising for them this is how they are showing us they need to be flown .

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06-20-2017 02:47 PM  14 months agoPost 29
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They don't NEED to be flown like that but they can be flown like that. Align brought out stronger and stronger gears etc. to reduce the chances of failures but they would never say that they are indestructible! If they did make them indestructible by making them out of hardened steel then something else would break like the torque tube!

You would have to prove to Align that your setup and flying were within reasonable limits. HS not above 2150 rpm?, no more than 12 degrees of pitch?, governor gain not too high?, tail gain not too high?, pre comp not too high?, have the tail blades ever contacted the ground no matter how lightly? How many flights are on the heli? etc. etc.

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06-20-2017 08:45 PM  14 months agoPost 30
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I'm not here to argue but your not getting my point .
Why do you think Align decided to use a different compound in gears on the 700x not long after the release ?
Why do you think they then spent time and money after that making the cases stronger ??
Now they just released a shim kit ?
Would imagine they had a lot of old stock that was wasted .
I've not got to prove to them any thing I'm the customer .
If you think Align did all this stuff for fun and not because they had known issues then you must work for them also .
I Been building helicopters long before Align came into the Heli world and it's not nice them treating there life long customers like there stupid .
Rant over

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06-20-2017 09:14 PM  14 months agoPost 31
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I don't work for Align. I guess they could have at least sent you the upgraded gears FOC.

I only have experience with the original 700e which had the old white tail gears. I put many many 3d flights on that heli and never had any issues. The only real difference is that that heli had a smaller motor and therefore less power so Align have upgraded the tail gears and drive train over the years to handle the power of the ever increasing motor sizes in these helis. The 700 now uses a motor that can EASILY power an 800 size heli! Kontronik now have a Pyro 1000 and it won't be long before people are shoe horning those into 700's! It's getting a bit ridiculous.

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06-20-2017 11:18 PM  14 months agoPost 32
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My Butty had been using this same motor and same exact set up for over 12 months solid in his old DFC 700e with the black gears .
After us flying every weekend even jumping the rain showers these problems didn't exist .
We both then bought these latest 700x but mine failed first but we then looked at his and they were ready to fail .
Running the new gears and tail box we both wore them out very fast also .
I've now put a new set of gears in and shimmed them and they do seem to be lasting ok , but early days as prob 20 flights maximum since doing this .

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06-21-2017 05:54 AM  14 months agoPost 33
knightofcarnage

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can please post a picture of your maingear mesh on your 700x. Showing both the alignment on the motor pinon and maingear. And autorotation and the rear TT transion gear.

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06-21-2017 10:52 AM  14 months agoPost 34
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I believe he is talking about the front bevel gears.

You do have to be careful not to mix and match the old and new autorotation tail drive gears, 104T with 22T and 102T with 23T. If you put the 102T with the 22T you would have stripping issues and 104T with 23T would be too tight and could melt maybe.

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06-21-2017 11:01 AM  14 months agoPost 35
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The old 700E DFC had the 750MX 530kv motor and 9.33 gear ratio. The 700X has the much bigger 850MX 490kv motor and 8.46 gear ratio. So it has much more torque and allows an extra 50 RPM on the head.

Mine had the old 700MX 510kv motor and was never short of power at 2050 rpm! I guess there is no such thing as collective management these days!

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06-21-2017 11:36 AM  14 months agoPost 36
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If you put the 102T with the 22T you would have stripping issues and 104T with 23T would be too tight and could melt maybe.
To prevent the mismatched gear pairings you noted, Align changed the direction of the gear's tooth slant on the new M1 102T:23T tail and front drive gears compared to the M1 104T:22T gears.

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06-21-2017 11:46 AM  14 months agoPost 37
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To prevent the mismatched gear pairings you noted, Align changed the direction of the gear's tooth slant on the new M1 102T:23T tail and front drive gears compared to the M1 104T:22T gears.
Ah yes, well spotted!

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06-21-2017 05:34 PM  14 months agoPost 38
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Yes I'm talking about the front tail bevel gear .
And the motor in my mates old 700 is the more powerfull motor that's in our 700x .
The set up is still going strong now .
This narrowing of the frames has compromised the front gear cases .
The new released case from Align is an improvement but not a fix .
With regards to me now shiming my gears now only time will tell .
But I've lost confidence in the set up and when doing backwards circuits I'm always ready now for it to rip the gears and go into a piro

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