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03-03-2017 04:04 PM  16 months agoPost 21
nappyroots2182

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For me I really started advancing once I went fbl. The heli just felt right to me. But it's no excuse to kill flybarred helis. These companies are trying to advance so fast they don't think about the real customers. They are only uping their game for competitions. Helis are getting super expensive driving alot of people out also. Man I'd love just to have another raptor again !

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03-03-2017 04:14 PM  16 months agoPost 22
bkervaski

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Helis are getting super expensive driving alot of people out.
They aren't any more expensive .. actually they are less expensive when you adjust for the value of the dollar or euro .. the problem here is your dollar isn't going as far as it used to .. these companies have done a great job holding the line and improving the quality. Everything is better than it was 10 years ago in this hobby.

The first 90 I put together was an Miniature Aircraft Stratus and I had about $2500-$3000 in it. Today, if that company was still manufacturing here, that same $1500 kit would cost $2500.

Today, you can put together a fantastic Synergy N7 for about $2200 and it would absolutely fly circles (literally) around that heavy MA Stratus, last longer without maintenance, and about half the part count.

Today's helis are easier to setup, easier to fly, and as fast or slow as you want them.

You don't have to buy the $250 servos because somebody who you like watching fly good has their name on the side if you don't want to but a lot of us like those high-end options. Just don't believe what people or the internet tell you, Futaba (and other companies) make fantastic servos at just about any price range.

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03-03-2017 04:20 PM  16 months agoPost 23
Richardmid1

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Today's helis are easier to setup, easier to fly, and as fast or slow as you want them.
This is exactly why I hate FBL! There's no skill involved! You have a computer screen telling you exactly what to do!

60% of the time, it works every time!

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03-03-2017 04:23 PM  16 months agoPost 24
bkervaski

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This is exactly why I hate FBL! There's no skill involved! You have a computer screen telling you exactly what to do!
I used to love setting up flybarred helis, I thought it was cool to tweak on the cage and get it "perfect" .. that is until I crashed and had to do it again ..

I disagree with the skill required, I STILL can't fly as good as Matt Botos or some of these other guys ... my VBars do make me look better at flying but I'm not kidding myself ... I don't have the skill to fly like those guys and have yet to find a flybarless system to bridge that gap ... dedication and constant practice is the only way

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03-03-2017 05:05 PM  16 months agoPost 25
banshee rider

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This is exactly why I hate FBL! There's no skill involved! You have a computer screen telling you exactly what to do!
I don't know where you got that idea from

If your talking about setting up a FB versus a FBL heli
Theres is nothing hard about either
There just different

If your talking about flight characteristics
I haven't seen anybody become a Curtis Youngblood overnight
after switching to FBL

ageing is manditory maturity is optional

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03-03-2017 08:27 PM  16 months agoPost 26
EEngineer

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"They aren't any more expensive .. actually they are less expensive when you adjust for the value of the dollar or euro .. the problem here is your dollar isn't going as far as it used to"

Exactly.....

Here's a link to an "inflation calculator", in USDs.

http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/

For example, if you purchased an item for $1000 in 2000, in 2017 that same item would cost $1400.

FWIW

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03-03-2017 11:21 PM  16 months agoPost 27
co_rotorhead

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They should definitely bring back flybars and get rid of gyros altogether and hold separate competitions for them!
Yes! This! We can have these competitions in between heats at the horse and buggy races!

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03-04-2017 12:08 AM  16 months agoPost 28
Dr.Ben

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If companies could still sell FB helis, they still would. Money is money, and if something is selling well, there is no drive to discontinue it. Part of my business is retail sale of some products. I don't stop selling something unless people stop wanting it. The reason you don't see FB kits and single axis gyros any longer in production is because those items gather dust on the shelves. Dealers can't give either away these days.

I was and am well versed in the black art of FB heli trimming. I know all about pmixes and phasing for good loops and rolls, flybar ratios for stability versus agilty, use of delta, and so forth. Be that as it may, I am every bit as interested in having fully current FBL models because overall they simply fly better. And, for my intellectual curiosity, there is somewhat of a black art of unto itself in finely tuning FBL controllers for best hover and aerobatics. While it is indeed easier to get a model to fly pretty well than it used to be, a learned skill set still exists now as it has in the past to tune a model for absolute best performance.

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03-04-2017 04:52 PM  16 months agoPost 29
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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bulldog is a great fb heli pilot

the kbar and vbar dont use lights for setup or to fly

and are cheap

Insha Allah made in america

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03-04-2017 10:26 PM  16 months agoPost 30
tommytt1

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Fly Flybar, plenty of flybar machines for sale that nobody wants..

I made a mistake once, but I was wrong?

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03-05-2017 10:39 PM  16 months agoPost 31
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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nappyroots2182
For me I really started advancing once I went fbl.
+1 bulldog to me would fly like a szabo if he were comfortable with fbl.

and tail gyro's have lights when it comes to programming just like some fbl gyro's

this is why I like the vbar programming software makes life much easier when it comes to programming

Insha Allah made in america

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03-05-2017 10:41 PM  16 months agoPost 32
EEngineer

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"vbar programming software makes life much easier when it comes to programming"

It sure does, doesn't it?

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03-05-2017 11:14 PM  16 months agoPost 33
tommytt1

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I agree, Vbar programming was very easy. When I first had the vbar I was really apprehensive, because I hadn't setup flybarless before. When I finally did the set up it was very easy and The software walked me right through it. Good Stuff!

I made a mistake once, but I was wrong?

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03-06-2017 10:18 AM  16 months agoPost 34
Richardmid1

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I disagree with the skill required, I STILL can't fly as good as Matt Botos or some of these other guys
I meant the skill involved in a good setup. In the flybar days you could have a huge advantage over competitors just from setup knowledge.

Remember the days of helping new guys out at your club and their flybarred setups would be all over the place and they wondered why they were so hard to fly? These days you can get away with a poorly setup FBL heli and they are still 10 times easier to fly than the best flybarred heli!

The other end of the spectrum to flybarred helis is drones! It's dumbing down if you ask me!

Also what FBL has done is brought about more big air, high speed 3D flying which as a spectator looks rubbish if you can see what it's doing at all that is!

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