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07-25-2017 02:58 AM  4 years ago
Sceadu Flyer

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Progress is occurring..... slowly.....

Just finished rebuilding the swashplate assembly. All new bearings.

This involved a freezer, a heat gun, a hydraulic press and a lot of grease!

Fly it like you stole it!
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08-07-2017 03:54 PM  4 years ago
Sceadu Flyer

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And we are flying!!!!!!

Watch at YouTube

Had to set it down quick at the end as my main belts started slipping. They require a lot of adjustment in the first hour of operation! This is completely normal.

9 months of work went into this restoration. Its not 100% done but I am close. I am the pilot you see flying. My instructor is in the RH seat. He is technically the PIC as I am not yet rated in Rotorcraft.

I only have 3 hours of dual in helis.... This one flies beautifully!

SF
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08-07-2017 09:12 PM  4 years ago
JuanRodriguez

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Nice job, looking good !Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....
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08-08-2017 10:55 AM  4 years ago
dschertz

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Rated? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression one doesn't need any licensing to fly a Rotorway beings they are "experimental".
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08-08-2017 12:13 PM  4 years ago
gmcullan

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If the aircraft is heavier than an ultralight, yes an appropriate rating is required. There are also medical certificate requirements dependent upon your rating and category of operation. Anything heavier than an ultralight requires an appropriate certificate and rating. Class 2 and 1 require an appropriate aviation medical certificate

As an example, I hold a Private Pilot certificate, rated SEL (single engine,land). Due to recent changes in the regulations, I no longer need to have an aviation medical exam every two years but can self certify as long as I am operating under "Class 3".
Gerry Cullan,
Gaui 200, 255; T-Rex 250, 450 SE & SA, Mini-Titan, Blade 450
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08-08-2017 01:28 PM  4 years ago
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Yes, you would need at least a private pilot class license with a rotorcraft category rating to fly a rotorway helicopter.

I have an ATP and A&P license. I do not as of yet have a rotorcraft category rating. I bought and rebuild this heli to get my rating affordably.

Rotorway builds a great heli kit. I have flown the robinson helis and I personally feel the rotorway is a vastly superior helicopter. (And 1/5 the cost!)

SF
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08-08-2017 05:52 PM  4 years ago
gmcullan

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Your comment on the Rotorway versus Robinson is interesting. As a treat last year, my Wife got me an hour of dual in a Robinson R44. I thought it was absolutely delightful to fly, in many ways certainly easier than our r/c helis.Gerry Cullan,
Gaui 200, 255; T-Rex 250, 450 SE & SA, Mini-Titan, Blade 450
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08-08-2017 07:32 PM  4 years ago
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To some degree they are comparable... They are both 2 place piston helis.

In other ways they are apples and oranges. The Robinsons are a certified aircraft, Rotorway are experimental, amateur built. Robinson has an air cooled, carburetor engine with magnetos. Rotorway has a fuel injected, liquid cooled, dual FADEC engine with digital solid state ignition.

Both manufacturers have been around 50ish years. They however target different markets. Parts are easily 10X more expensive for the same thing in a Robbie vs a RW. However it's "certified" if you care about that.

2 very different, yet similar helis.....

SF
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08-08-2017 10:06 PM  4 years ago
Pistol Pete

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Sweet and congrats.

I need suggestions on lotto numbers for the weekend.
~~Enjoying the hobby one flight at a time~~
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08-08-2017 11:16 PM  4 years ago
jbewley

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I may be dating myself here, but didn't they use to call the ATP an ATR (Air Transport Rating)??

Jim
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08-09-2017 11:37 AM  4 years ago
Richardmid1

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You have bigger balls than me for doing a 'shake down' flight on a real heli!!

I would definitely stick to just spool ups with the heli tethered or very low hovering for a good few flights!
60% of the time, it works every time!
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08-09-2017 12:39 PM  4 years ago
Sceadu Flyer

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That was a low hover in a real heli.... All we did was hover it around a bit. If something went bad we could have just done a hovering auto..... relatively low risk.

Tethering it could be REALLY dangerous!

Once the setup is verified static, it should be good. We did run it for about :30 min before we ever pulled pitch. The first liftoff lasted about a minute, then it was set down and inspected before continuing.

SF
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08-09-2017 01:40 PM  4 years ago
InvertedDude

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So, you are just doing post flight checks and readjusting all the belts before you actually do a higher altitude flight?

Just curious, what are the hours ratings for the belts? Can you buy carbon blades for the helicopter?
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08-09-2017 03:34 PM  4 years ago
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Correct, the belts stretch a lot in the first hour or so of operation. Also the tracking on the main cog needs to be adjusted. The engine needs to be checked for leaks..... you get the idea.

You can buy aftermarket blades for the heli. I believe someone makes carbon for it. HOWEVER, I only use and recommend the factory blades. They are aluminum and they work great. RW has never had a blade failure. I have seen the aftermath of the carbon blade failures and it was ugly. Thankfully they were only in a low hover when the blade delaminated! The tail boom was sliced off and the heli came down hard. Factory blades for me!

I believe it's 40 hours total for an add-on rating. There will be dual/solo requirements in that 40 hour requirement.

SF
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08-09-2017 10:03 PM  4 years ago
Heli_Splatter

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Just the EFI would get me to consider Rotorway very seriously.

http://skyeagle.aero/helicopter-sch...-to-helicopter/
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08-09-2017 10:14 PM  4 years ago
ssmith512

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Cool!

Congrats on a successful maiden hover test!

Looks to me like you could crank up the gains on the FBL controller
Steve
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08-09-2017 10:50 PM  4 years ago
Sceadu Flyer

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LOL! I will have to try that.

They do fly really nice. RC heli flying does translate nicely into full scale flying. Just NO 3D!!!!
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08-09-2017 11:50 PM  4 years ago
Heli_Splatter

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I would sure like to hear your comments on that after you have completed the transition. Of course, RC pilots know more about the function of helicopters, but hands on??? I am curious.

I would like to take some dual, have SEL. I do fly the helicopters in sims like X-Plane and FS-X.
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08-10-2017 04:33 AM  4 years ago
JurassicJet

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I may be dating myself here, but didn't they use to call the ATP an ATR (Air Transport Rating)??

Jim
Yep, not sure what year the FAA changed over to the ATP designation. I want to say that it was in the 70's, but may have been earlier. I earned my ATP in the late 80's (I think, LOL).
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08-10-2017 04:39 AM  4 years ago
JurassicJet

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I believe it's 40 hours total for an add-on rating. There will be dual/solo requirements in that 40 hour requirement.

SF
The add-on rating, assuming you are already rated in aircraft, is 30 hours total.

Wish I could do this. Lost my medical after nearly 25 years or so of professional flying. Have about 9000 hrs, most of it in multi-engine and jets. Makes we wanna cry that I can't fly anymore. Would love to have a RotorWay but not sure if I trust all of those moving parts.

Also, for those wondering if RC skills translate to full size, I believe they do. I started flying RC young and took full scale flying lessons starting when I was 16. I soloed in 7 hours and I attribute that in large part to my understanding of basic aircraft handling through my RC experience. Or, maybe I'm just that good..LOL
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