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11-08-2016 11:49 PM  20 months agoPost 41
Peter Wales

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The door fittings set is part #301/5. It has two hinges with screws and a couple of sets of door handles with the fittings.

PFM? How to describe it? It is a clear adhesive which is very thick and viscous and comes in a tube like a toothpaste tube. It sets in air but has no solvent so doesn't smell or shrink. It sets to a rubbery consistency which hardens over about 24 hours but while it is hardening it runs slowly. If I want to glue something in an inaccessible place, I put a blob on a screwdriver and push it just above where I want it and let it slowly creep down into the joint and the joints are always smooth and clean.

I has tremendous strength but its weakest line is shear force so you can twist things apart if you want to get them apart, or start lifting and slicing the glue as you go along. Its really tough but has a little flexibility, will glue just about anything to anything and I always use it to glue woodwork to glass fiber...and I dont clean the glass fiber first, the PFM grabs it clean or not. If you dribble a bit where you dont want it, wait until its set and then peel it off. If you get it on your fingers, rub them together and it will peel away.

It used to be about $8 a tube when I first met it but it is much more expensive than that now, so I buy 3 or 4 tubes at a time knowing I will use them eventually, and the price will continue to rise.

Give it a try Mike, I am sure you will like it.

Peter Wales
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11-09-2016 12:55 PM  20 months agoPost 42
Grimracer

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Thanks Peter,

Sounds a little bit like Shoe goo but with a stronger hold and no shrink. I have been using some different construction adhesives with good success (pro-line from the local home store). Never the less PMF sounds better due to less shrink.

Sold.. I will give it a go on my next build.

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Grim

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11-09-2016 02:26 PM  20 months agoPost 43
DCORSAIR

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Love the Lama
I remember this glue Peter is talking about. I use to get it for free because I drive truck for a recycling company and Direct TV installers would bring there bin of metal dishes and the mounting hardware from jobs they did, they would throw away tubes of this glue, so I would get tubes 1/2 used or even new tubes, they recycle different now so I don't get free glue anymore, it is great stuff, I was never able to find it in stores.

Peter, can you tell us where you get it??

Sure miss my free glue and zip ties..........

D. Lee.....t.Born again.t.....

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11-09-2016 03:42 PM  20 months agoPost 44
Grimracer

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I found it here.. But Peter might have a better source.

http://www.hobbyexpress.com/p.f.m_a...z_2851_prd1.htm

Grim

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11-09-2016 04:10 PM  20 months agoPost 45
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Yep, that's the glue I was getting for free...

D. Lee.....t.Born again.t.....

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11-09-2016 04:29 PM  20 months agoPost 46
Peter Wales

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I buy it from my local hobby store, Graves RC. It is the same price as hobby express. Those are the only 2 places i know who stock it and i believe hobby express is the exclusive distributor, so whether Graves has an arrangement with them or they buy it from the manufacturer direct (they are in Florida somewhere) is above my pay grade. Graves saves me on shipping but I pay tax.

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11-09-2016 04:32 PM  20 months agoPost 47
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On with the show

I gave it a quick splash of clear this morning before going out to fly. Its set hard already, 2 hours later, but I will wait until tomorrow before handling it just to be sure everything is really rock hard.

I have spent the last few minutes cutting out some decals on my printer cutter ready to decorate the cabin and rear covers. Now I have to start looking at scale details like the cabin interior and the turbine.

Peter Wales
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11-09-2016 04:47 PM  20 months agoPost 48
chopper37

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Peter
Thanks for the fitting kit number and glue info, looking good in those colors.

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11-10-2016 02:02 AM  20 months agoPost 49
Mojave

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That looks great Peter, nice paint job!
Barry

All helis and planes have an expiration date stamped on them...you only find it after you crash!!

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11-10-2016 01:14 PM  20 months agoPost 50
Grimracer

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Peter,

What paints do you use. The finish from the photo is very nice. Is it Automotive.

Thanks

Grim

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11-10-2016 02:13 PM  20 months agoPost 51
Peter WalesrrElite Veteran - Orlando Fl - My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

All assembled and some stickers on.

Now for the interior and the turbine.

The paint is base coat, clear coat. The red and white are from the local paint store, and in fact were the paint I used on my Nats winning turbine Lama in 2003. It was still good!

The clear coat is DuPont Chromaclear

BTW the rear panels are supposed to be screwed on with some clips Vario supplied, but they were wrong, so I put a dab of PFM in each corner and taped the panels in place and now they wont come off unless I want them off

Peter Wales
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11-10-2016 03:35 PM  20 months agoPost 52
kenb

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Beautiful job! Anyone else besides vario offer a lama helicopter? Ken

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11-10-2016 03:39 PM  20 months agoPost 53
Heli143

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Took the words right out of my mouth...
Absolutely beautiful!!

Roy Mayoral

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11-10-2016 05:10 PM  20 months agoPost 54
Peter Wales

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Thank you for your kind words. I should get Marcus behind the sticks on Saturday morning if he likes it. Its a bit bigger than he is used to, and frankly, I hope he doesn't like it and then I can have it

The only other Lama maker I know of is Hirobo. Vario also sells the Starwood version, but there are no parts available now, so be careful if you go that route.

Peter Wales
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11-10-2016 06:35 PM  20 months agoPost 55
chopper37

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Wow that's beautiful, I'm speechless best looking trex 700 I've ever seen.

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11-10-2016 09:09 PM  20 months agoPost 56
Peter WalesrrElite Veteran - Orlando Fl - My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Its a beautiful day with blue skies and no wind so I took it out for a test flight. This bird flies beautifully, I was well pleased. The rudder was a bit stronger than I expected, but then it has an 800 tailboom on a 700 heli, so it would be stronger than before.

Gottaget that cockpit done, it looks bare in there without a driver

Peter Wales
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11-10-2016 09:57 PM  20 months agoPost 57
Peter Wales

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The seats that Vario supply look reasonable, but the wire frames they sit on are all wrong. They should look like this

So, it's 3D printer time and I'll do an instrument panel while I am at it.

Peter Wales
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11-10-2016 10:18 PM  20 months agoPost 58
ssmith512

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NICE!!!

Not too shabby for a guy who just started building scale helis!!

Grim / Others......

FYI,

PFM glue is the same thing as E6000 available at most hardware / big box stores.

Steve

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11-11-2016 01:44 AM  20 months agoPost 59
Copter Doctor

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I get that pfm stuff at dollar general and I know there's a dollar general near you, maybe even two!

drive a rotary, fly a rotorcraft

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11-11-2016 02:42 AM  20 months agoPost 60
Peter Wales

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E6000 is NOT the same as PFM. It has a solvent which is carcinogenic and stinks. It can take upto 72 hours to dry. PFM has no smell and will set in 8 hours.

Emile, do you buy PFM at Collar General or E6000? If it is PFM, what does it cost now?

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