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06-02-2016 04:07 AM  4 years ago
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Brexit, yes or no?
Soon Britan will decide if it will separate from the EU. Seems to me that the EU needs Briton more than Britan needs the EU.

"Abandon 'utopian dreams', says EU head Mr Tusk"

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics...rendum-36429331
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06-02-2016 06:56 AM  4 years ago
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It is very difficult to find a balanced argument for or against,vested interests everywhere.Team- unbiased opinion.K.I.S.S principle upheld here
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06-02-2016 07:23 AM  4 years ago
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My wife and I returned from the UK this week and it appears England is headed toward a high Muslim population if the UK stays in the EU.

I believe the legal immigration level was supposed to be lowered to 100,000 per year but it has stayed about 300,000. The UK government appears to have little control over this even though the UK is paying billions to the EU.

I have always felt the UK is the premier country of Europe and can only be weaken by aligning themselves with weaker nations. The EU needs the UK...not the other way around.

They are using scare tactics to try to influence the vote by claiming the UK will be hurt if they leave.

I think Cameron is the modern day Neville Chamberlain in the fact he shows no ability to deal with Merkel or the EU.

I would like to see the UK leave the EU because I think that would be best for the UK, but I would also like to see them stay in the EU if Trump wins.

I think Trump would pull us out of NATO and hopefully remove our troops out of Europe.

The US wastes way too much money serving as a global military.

If Europe feels the need to have a large standing military, they can spend their hard earned Euros to fund it.

George Galloway has an interesting take on the UK's leaving the EU:

Watch at YouTube

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06-02-2016 11:52 AM  4 years ago
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I have no idea what should happen in Great Britain, so I will keep my pie hole shut on that as they should of the US presidential election.

One shared issue is immigration. Every country should be able to control immigration and return illegal immigrants to their country of origin.
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06-02-2016 04:13 PM  4 years ago
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One shared issue is immigration. Every country should be able to control immigration and return illegal immigrants to their country of origin.
Right on!

Who in the world would agree to allow another country to interfere with immigration control of a sovereign nation?
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06-02-2016 06:05 PM  4 years ago
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Who in the world would agree to allow another country to interfere...
Apparently quite a few folks, but i don't think anyone in their right mind would.
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06-02-2016 06:32 PM  4 years ago
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It is Nothing more than a 21st Century Caliphate :

Know EVERY aspect : Old / Proven / They Work - Both parties are Sacrificial Pawn's. Not to hard to discover. BIGGER

Public is SMART. Getting re- Educated on Older Patriotic Precepts of FREEDOM.

It's been OVER 70 Years - Thinking AMERICAN's would forget or DELETE
Knowledge. Their mantel of HISTORY and their sacrifices.

Too Toss it AWAY ?? Get them to play games and learn stupidity :

RE : Today - National New's " King Tut's Dagger was found to be made of Meteorite Steel " = Imbecility

Europe is in a Mess with Little Information making it Outside - To the USA --Censorship or Segregation of information. Not THEIR : Press > F.C.C>

Occuring ALL over OUR Country from the Administration it's BLATANT

Europe has little tangible products to sell as a backstop " Holiday or vacation's" to get Blown Up ??? - THEY did it AGAIN / France Again : SAD : Dependent's /

Old word's are beginning to reappear in the Public Domain again

: TREASON
: Espionage
: Sabotage
: Spy
: Insurgent
: Communism
: Socialization

: Sovereignty / In dependency / Liberty

73% of NATO's Budget is funded through American Citizen Payroll taxes ;

Fruits of YOUR LABOR for them : The balance was Their's - They don't pay them either : Crumpet's in the Middle of a Caliphate = BAD
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06-02-2016 08:36 PM  4 years ago
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06-03-2016 04:48 AM  4 years ago
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spaceman spiff
From your link:
Immigration is a contentious issue

One of the EU’s founding principles is the free movement of people (along with the free movement of goods, services and money).

Because of this, the UK has no control over immigration from other EU member states.
Cameron has not shown any ability to overcome this. It appears voting for exiting the EU is the only way the UK can regain control of immigration. There is NO room for compromise. A country either gives up its borders or it leaves the EU.
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06-13-2016 09:10 PM  4 years ago
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Today's poll is in favor of a British exit.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/13/
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06-13-2016 11:49 PM  4 years ago
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but I would also like to see them stay in the EU if Trump wins.
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I understand and agree with your explanations on UK verses EU, but please explain the above qoute ?
I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?
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06-14-2016 01:57 AM  4 years ago
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I understand and agree with your explanations on UK verses EU, but please explain the above qoute ?
Good question. Here's my feelings about the UK/EU/USA relationship.

I believe the EU (Germany) plans to build a strong military with the UK as a major financial donor if the UK remains.

Trump (and I) believe the need for NATO with the US as the big money donor has passed.

Trump (and I) want to stop the insane USA military spending to maintain a world police force.

If Trump wins and the UK leaves the EU, I would hate to leave our best ally to the wolves. There is the danger the EU would dissolve if the UK leaves them.

Bottom line: if Trump wins and we pull our military, the UK would need some strong alliance with a local military such as the EU.

Plus I just returned from London and there are Muslims everywhere. The London mayor is Muslim and he is censoring sexy ads in London's public transports:
London's Muslim Mayor Bans Sexy Women in Advertisements

http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/13/l...advertisements/
London is heading toward Islam like a runaway freight train.
90% of life is "showing up"
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06-14-2016 03:57 AM  4 years ago
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Dont Worry Mate : It's a Secret - Crikey Bat's made with Gopher Wood +
Something about ? :: Chic / Chic - Chikey Boom - Boom.

Has to do with a BEAR HAT !

Yankee Doodle ain't got Nothing to do with it

Watch at YouTube

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06-14-2016 04:36 PM  4 years ago
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dilberteinstein ...Thanks for explanation, makes sense.
Plus I just returned from London and there are Muslims everywhere. The London mayor is Muslim and he is censoring sexy ads in London's public transports
That is the beginning of the end of Christianity and Judaism (and other religions) for the UK. He may eventually require all women to cover faces saying that is 'sexy ads'.
I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?
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06-14-2016 10:07 PM  4 years ago
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Their never has been: Better call King Arthur : The Infidel

That is the beginning of the end of Christianity and Judaism (and other religions) for the UK.
The Islamist's -- the self radicalized ones chased em all out.

The LONE WOLF. They also do NOT let their WO-Men worship - That's Illegal --------

ISIS is Not Islam : Barrack Hussain told us so: He's a Christo

All the Great Cathedrals are Absolutely EMPTY = Zero Attendance.
Centuries old architectural beauty with capacity's un heard of.

They are worried about a Kamikaze the BONZIE or Snooky the Jihadist
or the Cow A Bunga or Geronimo.

Pretty soon they will be Yodeling in the streets and from Big Ben - and bathing with cows or riding around on elephants doing stuff like that.

It's the Fault of the AMERICAN's : OBAMA SAID so

Call Em a New name they will go away : { It's a Caliphate }
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06-16-2016 03:14 AM  4 years ago
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Seems to me the Brits have the only say in this. I would not pretend to be able to speak for them.

As for vested interests...that's what ALL politics are at their core. Having interests doesn't invalidate your position. So call it like you see it.
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06-16-2016 07:07 AM  4 years ago
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Seems to me the Brits have the only say in this. I would not pretend to be able to speak for them.
As for vested interests...that's what ALL politics are at their core. Having interests doesn't invalidate your position. So call it like you see it.
Right on.

My main interest involves the US's keeping military overseas. We have been allies with most of Europe since WWII. It made sense to have troops in Europe for most of that time.

BUT...if the UK stays in the EU and they do build their own EU military, I would like to cut costs and bring our troops home.

Germany had protestors at our Air Force base this past week and they would certainly like to see Yankee go home. Japan would love to see us go.

We have worn out the welcome mat and I don't think we are needed everywhere in the world...plus, I know a lot about military matters because I have watched a lot of war movies starring John Wayne.
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06-16-2016 07:15 AM  4 years ago
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London is heading toward Islam like a runaway freight train.
With help from the left. Which makes absolutely NO sense considering how Islam will treat the lefty issues of LGBT, women's rights, freedom from religion, suppression of scientific advancements, etc.

The left is so welcoming of their oppressors, it's insane! They are going to destroy the west.

If anything, you'd think Christians would take less issue with Islam than atheist liberals. But somehow that's not the case.

It begs the question - what cause would liberals fight for? Seems to me they are committing cultural or actual suicide. They will open their arms and be stabbed in the chest for it.

Perhaps the fact that it's all antichrist is the point. The liberals #1 enemy is Jesus.
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06-16-2016 07:20 AM  4 years ago
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Perhaps the fact that it's all antichrist is the point. The liberals #1 enemy is Jesus.
And there is the answer. Nail meet hammer.
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06-16-2016 07:21 AM  4 years ago
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Their hatred of Him blinds them to what a future under Islam would mean.
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