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06-04-2016 03:18 AM  4 years ago
JayL

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I still like to fly its just more enjoyable when you have some pals to hang out with. I dont get to much flying done this time of year because of work oh and heat. Just not fun when its 97 and 100 percent humidity outside. I did buy some old helis from a friend and old fury and a vibe 90 that was never flown.
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06-04-2016 11:36 PM  4 years ago
iskoos

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Not the economy...
Very funny, I was thinking about this just recently. I even had a conversation with a fellow RC guy.
Economy might contribute to this situation some (and only some) but I do not think it is the main reason at all. Here in the US, if people want to buy something, they find a way to buy it weather or not they the have money Somebody tell me I am wrong here

To me, the main reason is just the time. It is different now than it was 10 years ago. Back in days, you would put some effort to build and learn how to fly these things because you had no other option. Now with the advanced technology, everything is being offered as turn-key. With the advanced flight controllers, you almost don't need any skills to fly.
People look for change in things as the time goes by, the change for the RC hobby didn't go so much for the single disc helis for some reason. Well, they still advanced comparing to many years ago but other things (like Drones), did much better: They are so convenient! they come in the box and that box is the ONLY thing you need to buy!.. You do not need to put it together, get help from an experienced pilot, spend time on the sim anymore!..
All you need is charging the battery while reading the owner's manual.
It brought a new perspective to RC hobby. People fpv now, they race drones, they shoot aerial videos/pictures. And all of this is with a very minimal learning curve. And these people could be just about anyone. No need for much skill.
Do you think these people would get into RC heli if you showed them how much time they would need to spend to build and learn how to fly? (No need to mention how much time and money required to maintain/repair them)

It isn't the economy. If it was the economy, then drone market would suffer from the same.

This is the new time, the new trend whether we like it or not...
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06-05-2016 12:31 AM  4 years ago
MattJen

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Not the economy...

Interesting thoughts, but I do feel it depends on your location and your circle of friends..

I flew with people who were self employed only had to work 2 or 3 days a week to earn a living that was comfortable, now they having to work 7 days a week just to pay the bills.
My job in sales, I could easily slip off in the afternoon for a flight, but now companies are cutting costs a lot more than they did 15 yrs ago, my car is tracked even down to how hard I brake and speed, all for efficiency and to drive costs of company car drivers.. the spare money I had is now longer a much as it used to, due to cost of living and growing family..

but I agree it does have impact but how much depends on your location and circle of friends you fly with.
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06-05-2016 02:04 AM  4 years ago
iskoos

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Well, I didn't say the economy is doing okay. I just said that I didn't believe the economy was the main reason why the RC heli is on the decline by explaining my point...
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06-05-2016 02:19 AM  4 years ago
Todd74

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Not the economy...
Very funny, I was thinking about this just recently. I even had a conversation with a fellow RC guy.
Economy might contribute to this situation some (and only some) but I do not think it is the main reason at all. Here in the US, if people want to buy something, they find a way to buy it weather or not they the have money Somebody tell me I am wrong here
To me, the main reason is just the time. It is different now than it was 10 years ago. Back in days, you would put some effort to build and learn how to fly these things because you had no other option. Now with the advanced technology, everything is being offered as turn-key. With the advanced flight controllers, you almost don't need any skills to fly.
People look for change in things as the time goes by, the change for the RC hobby didn't go so much for the single disc helis for some reason. Well, they still advanced comparing to many years ago but other things (like Drones), did much better: They are so convenient! they come in the box and that box is the ONLY thing you need to buy!.. You do not need to put it together, get help from an experienced pilot, spend time on the sim anymore!..
All you need is charging the battery while reading the owner's manual.
It brought a new perspective to RC hobby. People fpv now, they race drones, they shoot aerial videos/pictures. And all of this is with a very minimal learning curve. And these people could be just about anyone. No need for much skill.
Do you think these people would get into RC heli if you showed them how much time they would need to spend to build and learn how to fly? (No need to mention how much time and money required to maintain/repair them)
It isn't the economy. If it was the economy, then drone market would suffer from the same.
This is the new time, the new trend whether we like it or not...
You nailed it right on the head there man.
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06-05-2016 02:21 AM  4 years ago
heli4ever

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i was talking to a hobby shop owner the other day he been there for 25+ years airplanes he was saying theres a lot of things going on

yes the economy plays a big part but if you really want to fly you will find a way down size or ??

but the big one is the mentally of the people today they looking for instant results the old days you go to the hobby shop meet the guys at the shop and pick a trainer plane/heli then for the next month or so you build the plane/heli get parts as needed or can afford it (no credit cards) go back to shop meet more friends then the big day go the field with a shop friend do the buddy box or pass the trans back and forth but if you have a mishap the guys will help you and you plus you already have to much time and money tied up to quit plus your already hooked then in time you get more kits parts and building was part of the hobby

today with the cheap junk you can get online/Walmart you get one try it out at home with no help you crash it because it's a POS and does not fly then you give up or if you do happen to get hooked but you go from a trainer to advance plane/heli max out your CC's then you get burned out because your learning curve was so steep and then you plateau and get bored, burned out,or broke

drones is also dyeing same thing steep curve then plateau bored quit

this is with all hobbies or activity not just RC kids today to lazy and Facebook they have no drive and looking for instant gratification

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06-05-2016 02:41 AM  4 years ago
carcrasher

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I agree with the instant gratification point. I let my younger cousins use my sim one day. None of them could keep it in a steady hover longer than 10 seconds. After 3-4 attempts they said to me, ok can we fly the real one now. I was like wow! I told them, You couldn't keep the fake one up in the air longer than a minute between all of you and you want to try the real thing already. What do you think will happen to the real one?! They all thought I could fix the real one in 6-10 minutes then fly it again. Like it never happened! It was the same with rc cars when I raced them. No idea what went into getting it dialed in and running correctly. I have a cousin who's older than me and asked me about my helis. I told him get a sim and practice first. Then get a heli. of course he didn't listen.
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06-05-2016 11:56 PM  4 years ago
jtv62161

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Dying
In Pittsburgh it's losing big-time
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06-06-2016 03:33 AM  4 years ago
icanfly

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hey man, been reading this topic for awhile now, and whether we like it or not there are a couple of factors everyone can relate to that have everything to do with the popularity of an interest. RC helis are more a loners type of interest while quads are way more social friendly. Big sharp blades are nothing to worry about when buying the average 250 size quad as is the portability of a quad compared to a heli. Awareness has gone to quads over helis though rc helis had a time back in the 80's and 90's up to let's say 2010 or 2012 even and the you had DJI marry gopro and game was just beginning for the simplicity of it all while nearly same priced.

Blame? A friend who got into rc helis before I did but quit because the rc heli was too unstable for his patience asked how much he would have to spend to buy a decent multi so he could capture his lady friend in some sports action. I told him anything between $500 to $1500 depending on the camera on average, more for pro cam and some pro offerings available today. figure $250 for the quad, $150 for a camera and $100 for tx, and that's only the kit of a Goby 380 with no nothing but cf and aluminum parts requiring assembly. Shove another $500 worth of components and you still don't have the ease of use and stability of a quad for a cam ship and not even the tx yet, IT'S COMPLICATED.

Economy? laziness, instant gratification, simplicity, non fear provoking not very dangerous, backpack friendly, cheap, almost disposable, not a lot invested for at least some significant return like proving to yourself you can actually fly something ANYTHING, virtually pennies to repair from a crash most times, thats mutlis for ya's. Rc helis don't compare however not long ago quads never existed but now they do (throughout it's history many rc helis have sold that are shelf queens today, tons of them because someone thought they could just try to fly, but it takes serious dedication not everyone cares for)

Ask yourself next time, how many full scale airplane pilots want to be heli pilots? Airplanes are much easier to fly, not everyone is a genius nor want's to be.

Those mutli pilots will get bored and look somewhere else for excitement one day, rc helis are not easy and with 3d got so much harder, scale are just flying models is all.

good luck all, in the between time we all get our yaya's in various ways in many many ways, lots to see and do out there.

It ain't dying as long as you're flying.
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06-06-2016 06:57 AM  4 years ago
Heli Fanatix

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We could point fingers, do the blaming game, state speculations or give many many opinion's.. As valid as they may seem in each person's respective reality.

How about we implement a strategy to promote the RC Heli by word of mouth and harnessing the power of social media.

- If each member reach out to 3 individual
- if those 3 reaches out to 3 more individual
- by the fifth level .. 243 will be exposed to the RC Heli Hobby
- if just 1% commit, that is 2.43 person!

If there are new consumers, manufacturers can keep their doors open. Remember how hungry we were when we first started. If not, manufacturers will not make our goodies anymore. Than we would really feel the effects.

We have to be good embassadors / promoters of the hobby and did want Align did, make this RC Hobby known in every household.

We can each do our part just by posting our Heli's on Facebook with a caption,

" .... Going through mid life crisis? Take 2 of these to the field and call me in the AM!"
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06-06-2016 10:35 AM  4 years ago
Richardmid1

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Alot of people love RC helis not just for the flying but the building, setting up (flybar), tail gyro setup and engine tuning and tweaking. Now we have ready to fly flybarless electric models, quick skip through the manual and your in the air hovering hands off on the first flight! BORING, next!!!60% of the time, it works every time!
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06-06-2016 02:07 PM  4 years ago
Rototerrier

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My interest in all aspects of RC have waned. I flew some planks a couple weeks ago. I've not had any interested in flying my helis in a while. Mine have been parked on the wall. I'll probably hang onto them just in case I ever decide to get back in.

I don't think Helis will die any more or less than planks or anything else, unless they quite being made.

I think, and feel, the entire hobby is contracting.

All my kids have shown no interest in RC. Them, and their friends, are more interested in sports. I certainly am not going to complain. RC is a pretty lazy activity.

If given a choice between having my kids stand around with a controller and fiddling with parts on a bench or out running and exercising, the choice is obvious.

I'm sure there's plenty of other reasons for no new membership and the decline of the hobby, but from my perspective, I can't get my kids involved because they are doing things that are simply healthier and I don't see them ever being interested.
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06-06-2016 03:39 PM  4 years ago
artimus

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I think the video game generation just isnt intersted in something they can control that doesnt have high end graphics and explosions and a reset button.....I think has more to do with it than any thing else....Kids dont even give rc heli or planes a glance..they show no intrest at all.....if its not on a tv screen their not intersted.Fly Hard......Team Viagra
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06-06-2016 04:28 PM  4 years ago
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It's the GIMI:

Lost the enthusiasm, excitement, satisfaction and sense of accomplishment of work. Self achievement . The I done it .

The Learning part is absent also. " Ask Angie " Average 20 year old plays Video games in the basement 3 Hours a day. Occupied

Their need's have been taken care of. Why the Arf business is good for the Arf business. Can't buy the game. Start lot's and lots of projects and never finish any. Un dependable but dependent on the ARF

Enablement of dependency is GOOD !
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06-06-2016 05:18 PM  4 years ago
tommytt1

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I don't think it's dying at all, just an adjustment in the numbers. As long as people have an interest in the full scale helicopter, they'll flock towards our hobby.I made a mistake once, but I was wrong?
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06-06-2016 06:14 PM  4 years ago
RM3

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I agree it is a major adjustment... its not 100% the economy either...remember the general consensus was that it peaked around 2008-2010...the economy tanked (again) in 08...so money wise we were still in it.

interests change, people get in, alot get back out, few stay. Life changes and so does the priorities associated, and hobbies are not a priority.

I think alot of those that are no longer in got in because of the Wow factor... they are no longer "wowed" is my guess.

Honestly I have lost alot of interest too...I think Im one of maybe three pilots in my area...the last Funfly I went to i was the ONLY one there.

I like to fly, alone is OK, but with friends would be alot better....
As long as people have an interest in the full scale helicopter, they'll flock towards our hobby.
...not true, here in Ft hood you see nothing but Blackhawks, Apaches and Chinooks flying everyday...and I have only meet TWO that liked flying RC helis...

lets face it, flying RC is not "sexy"...its dorky. Especially in a military town like I live in...get a crotch rocket and you got 100s of friends (maybe enemies too), get a corvette and join a club that has 10 times more members than the local RC club (the chicks show up to that one without being paid), I think even the local comic con guys have way more members than our local club.
showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...
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06-06-2016 06:45 PM  4 years ago
Rototerrier

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lets face it, flying RC is not "sexy"...its dorky
I thought it, but wasn't going to say it
Gassers Rule, Nitros Drool, Electrics...uhhh...Joule?
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06-06-2016 06:50 PM  4 years ago
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Our Club has been doing a lot of Pubic displays lately and have had quite a few folks stop by to "watch " and ask questions, Yesterday we had a WW II vet come by and have his picture taken by the models ..he was in heaven !!! He is 98 years old and a true treasure to be around !! anyway back to helis going away I fly about five times a week out of my 7 days off and have to share the field with three to five guys...Our club has around 135 members and two fields to fly at.... I still love to fly models and have been flying them since 1968. We have a 4-H aviation day fly with the kids at the 4-H day camp next week. Going to introduce some young minds to model aviation. There will be three big screen TVs for Simulator training then an model airshow, with Heli's and Planks. Then it's buddy box time...for 30 to 50 kids...Then the candy drop to close out the day...Yup it's a lot of work !!! But there may be some big returns from it too...Please think about how you can promote our wounderful hobby and help get the kids out o da house !! The smiles on their face is truly priceless !!!I dream of a better world, A world where a chicken's crossing a road IS NOT questioned
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06-06-2016 06:55 PM  4 years ago
1helimech

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lets face it, flying RC is not "sexy"...its dorky
so that's what is meant when one says i dorked it ...always wondered what that meant .....
I dream of a better world, A world where a chicken's crossing a road IS NOT questioned
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06-06-2016 07:48 PM  4 years ago
artimus

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I dorked a chick once....now iam wondering if i did it right......there wasnt a heli in sight.Fly Hard......Team Viagra
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