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05-25-2016 04:01 PM  3 years ago
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RM3

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Windows 10 "mandatory" upgrade
well my wife just ruined my best laptop...

my Windows 7 automatically upgraded to 10 and presented a screen of the impending doom... and she being more in tune with what the Kardashians are up to and being a pro champ at liking everything on facebook rather than being computer literate just hit "ok" and proceeded to lobotomize my best laptop in the process...

wonder how long it will be before a massive class action lawsuit hits Microsoft for this forced upgrade

thank god I still have two others..one running Vista with all the crap cleaned out and a desktop Linux system which BTW is damn near bullet proof...
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05-25-2016 04:25 PM  3 years ago
Signman

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RM3, you can roll it back to Windows 7 by clicking start menu and selecting settings. Click on the update and security icon and select recovery. As long as it hasn't been more than 30 days since the upgrade you can roll it back to Windows 7.
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05-25-2016 04:45 PM  3 years ago
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I haven't done the 10 upgrade yet, is it that bad?Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care!
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05-25-2016 05:08 PM  3 years ago
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RM3, you can roll it back to Windows 7 by clicking start menu and selecting settings. Click on the update and security icon and select recovery. As long as it hasn't been more than 30 days since the upgrade you can roll it back to Windows 7.
True.
I haven't done the 10 upgrade yet, is it that bad?
My wife's laptop was upgraded and then rolled back to W7. I convinced her to try BioLinux and he is a happy camper now
I haven't done the 10 upgrade yet, is it that bad?
Hmmm, sometime it is. My wife's computer was super slow on W10. One of my desktop was upgraded to W10 and it is working ok within the many limitations W10 imposes.
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05-25-2016 05:44 PM  3 years ago
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Thx signman...

started doing this as soon as I realized what happened... but good to know for those of you that may not know how to roll back...

Win10 just has too much "fluff" and crap that eats up resources, not to mention there are alot of applications that still dont support Win10...

They need to come up with a "lean" OS and stop with all the "do it for me" BS that kills a system, needs multiple processors to keep up, uses too much memory and leaves it open to attack with all the holes they leave behind.

BTW...yeah Linux is SOLID.... thats why I use it for my CNC stuff...starts up in 15 seconds, shuts down in 15 seconds...fast and no fluff.
showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...
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05-25-2016 05:45 PM  3 years ago
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I have Windows 10 on 3 of my business computers and have had zero problems.
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05-25-2016 05:47 PM  3 years ago
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I haven't tried Win10, but I did not want to upgrade from Win 7.

There are a few things you still need to do to prevent Microsoft from hijacking you again once you roll back.

I have an old beater laptop with Ubuntu. Nice to have as a back up, but I do prefer using Win7 no matter how much better the Linux supposedly is.
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05-25-2016 07:43 PM  3 years ago
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The timing of this thread is good. I was thinking of starting a thread soliciting opinions. We have at least 6 laptops and a desktop around here. Two of the laptops are new Lenovos and came with Windows 10 they seem to run well. The rest are Windows 7 and they too are running well but the Microsoft nag screen to upgrade to Windows 10 in omnipresent.

I have an older Samsung Ultra book running Window's 7. It's my "hobby" laptop and I've avoided converting it to Windows 10. My experience in the past is that new operating systems have teething problems and the biggest of those problems is usually drivers for USB devices.

There are several things I use my hobby laptop for that if they didn't work, my laptop would be worthless. I use my Windows 7 laptop for my Castle Creations Castle Link daily. My DJI Naza M2 must have a laptop. My 4010Duo charger makes the prettiest graphs when plugged into my laptop.

Is anyone currently using a Windows 10 computer for our hobby and can you comment on driver compatibility for hobby items?

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05-25-2016 10:32 PM  3 years ago
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I build hot rod computers, and 10 is much better then 7 ever was.

7 is more bloatware then 10.

Size on he disc is where it really matters, fully updated 7 takes over 50g with all the updates.

10 updated was back down to 20g ish

I switched all my rigs over and few friends, all were thankful.
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05-25-2016 10:33 PM  3 years ago
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Is anyone currently using a Windows 10 computer for our hobby and can you comment on driver compatibility for hobby items?
No issues at all. Worse thing if the PC us really old you may have to install drivers in compatibility mode.
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05-25-2016 10:38 PM  3 years ago
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Best way to install 10 and it makes a difference over the upgrade which was buggy at first.

Back up all data so you can do a clean install.

Do the free upgrade even on a pirated 7 you will get a legit 10.

Then go to "all settings" then "update and security" and then "recovery" then "reset this PC" chose remove all files and you will have a nice running rig.
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05-26-2016 08:19 PM  3 years ago
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Do the free upgrade even on a pirated 7 you will get a legit 10.
Not from what I've seen.

Windows-10-is-great-except-for-the-parts-that-are-terrible
http://www.howtogeek.com/227827/win...t-are-terrible/
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05-26-2016 08:59 PM  3 years ago
RM3

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exactly...
...Microsoft is charging ahead with their vision of Windows as a service, planning to constantly update Windows 10 with new features going forward....
in other words...want to keep using your computer...you gotta pay on a routine basis...
...Mandatory driver updates are another issue — rather than just pushing Microsoft’s own Windows updates to everyone, Microsoft is forcing you to install the latest drivers it thinks will work on your computer. There’s no way to opt out of these drivers if they don’t work for your hardware. Install your own custom drivers and Windows Update will repeatedly install its own drivers over your own custom ones.
in other words...we will gladly F-up your computer every single time after you fix it...

gone are the days of buying an OS ONE TIME and being left alone...you no longer own anything... you rent it.... and we all know what happens to rental agreements over time.
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05-27-2016 04:29 AM  3 years ago
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yep vcontrol and linux makes windows useless for me.
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05-27-2016 02:46 PM  3 years ago
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My main PC at home is still on Windows 7 Ultimate.... I have automatic updates turned off so it has not upgraded itself.

I need to decide if I want to do the free upgrade before they expire - I was hoping to get some time on a W10 machine at work first to decide if I like it... need to research more.
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05-27-2016 03:05 PM  3 years ago
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So I took the leap and installed Windows 10 on my hobby computer. I own a copy of Windows 7 Ultimate and if worse come to worse, I'll just reinstall the old system. The decision was made slightly easier by all the crap Samsung had shipped with the machine. The little 500 GB drive it shipped with is partitioned into no less than 5 virtual drives. I have always been looking for a reason to slick this machine and start fresh.

I've only a little testing so far but can confirm Castle Link still works as does my software interface with my Junsi 4010 Duo. I have several other USB interface dongles to test so the jury is still out.

I can say that all of the machine's hardware is still installed properly. The device manager shows no missing or incorrect drivers.

Something that I have done to all of my Windows 10 machines (3 now) is install "Start 10". I highly recommend it. It takes 10 and changes the interface back to 7. It's a whopping $5 and GREATLY eases the 10ishness. I don't work for these people so feel free to bash.

Does anyone else see the irony of installing a new operating system and then immediately buying and installing 3rd party software to make it like the old system? https://www.stardock.com/products/start10/

Microsoft says the glory of Windows 10 is that it is compatible across many devices and it invents, and has provisions for, the Microsoft store including Windows apps. As much as I dislike Apple, I will not be buying a Zune, Windows Phone, or XBox. Further, I don't see the purpose of installing the USAToday app, or any other such app, when I'm sitting in front of a full function PC. I don't need an application to visit EBay. http://www.EBay.com works just fine. So tell me again why Windows 10?

Finally there is this. I have a 4 channel tuner card in my desktop and a 2 channel tuner card attached to the laptop/4K TV in the next room. 6 TB drives can be had for under $200. It makes for the ultimate DVR. I record what I want on my desktop or laptop and access it on any other machine I choose. Except.... The tuner cards are accessed through Windows Media Center - which has been conveniently dropped on Window 10. Until this is resolved, or until I find a functional workaround, I CAN'T convert 2 of my machines to Windows 10. Thank you for that. I just love a new software that drops major bits of functionality I was using daily.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...6-001-_-Product

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05-27-2016 03:19 PM  3 years ago
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I have automatic updates turned off so it has not upgraded itself.
This will not be the case with future versions of Win10... So leave it turned off for a week, and watch it update on its own when you power it up... options for controlling this feature are being buried deeper and deeper with each version... eventually as the article suggests, you will not be able to run your computer without a constant connection to the internet being that Windows will be a full SaaS (software as a service)....eventually it will get to the point that the only thing running on your system will be a core and all applications will be available via the web....all at a price to use...not to own.

Software developers realize that there is more money to be made by making users rent rather than own.... and the more they can control your computers functionality, the more they dictate what you can do with it and when.

Dont get me wrong...Some people love Win10... but these are usually the "media" types that use office applications or gamers.... they are more interested in the ability for the device to run itself...

but if you run CNCs or run CAD, Win10 is a PITA... example..when Win10 for business was released July 2015, SolidWorks 2014 was not compatible. so Solidworks did not “officially” support it until late 2015 and with the release of SolidWorks 2016 this year...
Since its inception, SOLIDWORKS has offered users the ability to renew expired licenses for an established and nominal fee. For example, $500 in NA, or a similar fee across other price lists, regardless of how long the licenses have been off subscription. Additionally, license repurchase was required for expired EPDM licenses. Beginning January 1, 2016 the current Subscription late fee and repurchase requirement will be replaced with full Subscription backdating. As a result, users with an expired Subscription will be subject to all missed Subscription charges (up to the cost of a new license) plus the current year charge to renew the expired license and obtain the current release with full support. This policy applies to all SOLIDWORKS product offerings and includes licenses that were never on Subscription.
so this constant upgrading that is forced upon you for future versions may screw up your computer should any applications you depend on are not of microsoft origin....worse yet, vendors are starting to charge you as well to stay running...

This is not good for those that depend on computer use for business outside of MS products...
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05-27-2016 04:55 PM  3 years ago
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05-27-2016 05:04 PM  3 years ago
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This will not be the case with future versions of Win10... So leave it turned off for a week, and watch it update on its own when you power it up... options for controlling this feature are being buried deeper and deeper with each version... eventually as the article suggests, you will not be able to run your computer without a constant connection to the internet being that Windows will be a full SaaS (software as a service)....eventually it will get to the point that the only thing running on your system will be a core and all applications will be available via the web....all at a price to use...not to own.
I work in the software industry - SaaS is the way EVERY company is going. The industry has realized that computers have become so ubiquitous and powerful and most modern apps already do 99.9% of what any user really needs, that the only way to continue growth of the industry is to lock everyone into subscription. There is no stopping it.
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05-27-2016 05:27 PM  3 years ago
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There is no stopping it.
While you are most likely correct, I don't care for defeatism like this.

Increasingly people try to herd me suggesting I have no influence in my life or on this world. While I'm a believer in "Optimum Trajectory", i.e. we each have a vector that is more like to succeed than another, I also believe I can influence the general path of my life. Just because I'm not likely to succeed at professional basketball doesn't mean I can't influence the course of my days on earth.

Watch at YouTube

If it becomes clear that the only way for me to continue using my operating system or office suite it to pay a monthly subscription, I will be riding my motorcycles a lot more.

You say "There is no stopping it". I say "ain't going to happen". I suppose reality is somewhere in the middle.

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