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05-23-2016 02:08 PM  3 years ago
GREYEAGLE

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If your good using a calculator doing Multiplication :

Try Long division with a pencil and toss in some decimals or fractions.

or even Inches / feet and 1/16ths of 12 inches or circumferences and diameters or perimeter's
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05-23-2016 03:59 PM  3 years ago
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As with any subject, there is not a single correct path to the right answer. My mom and I have gone round and round about teaching multiplication tables... dead technology to me. Having taught for 40 years, she knows the value of memorization. I know my multiplication tables, yet I grab a calculator.
exactly... there is no defined route to most answers.... but teachers are not teaching kids "how" to think... they are teaching them "what" to think...

my kid often asks me how it is that Im so good at math... I said, to him that its not that Im good at math, I choose to look for simplification of the problem at hand, I use my experience with how I solved other problems and apply them...I also had teachers that showed me how to look at a problem and break it down...application is more important than theory.

thats part of the reason our kids are sucking at math...they no longer have 50 math problems to do for homework...they have 5. They dont pick up the experience needed to apply to similar problems...and the teachers are not in it for the purpose of teaching our kids, they are in it for the easy paycheck and summers/weekends/holidays off...The teacher MUST understand the concepts and fundamentals of their chosen field, they MUST be the subject matter experts within their range...but they are no longer, most are instead nothing but mediocre college students that managed to get teachers certificates.

case in point, at my graduation most all of the honor grads were education and business majors, whose math levels dont exceed college algebra in complexity... the valedictorian was an elementary education major (college algebra was maximum)...

the rest of us computer science, aviation and other hard science grads then asked her what her final exam week looked like...some one in the background snickered and said it probably involved macaroni, Elmers glue and glitter....
showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...
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05-23-2016 05:20 PM  3 years ago
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I use to teach Accounting and Excel at a local college. I had one student that was bragging about her 4.0 GPA. On the midterm I had a question requiring the students to solve for the sales price of an item using Cost Volume Profit Analysis. She missed the question along with all math involved questions. She said she was going to be a CPA not a Math Major and nowhere in the book did it say she needed Algebra. I was dumbfounded. She challenged the test with the Dean of the department. I was told to take the questions out because the college did not want to loose funding for failing students.
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05-23-2016 05:28 PM  3 years ago
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You mean there's something wrong with it??

1 plus 1 is whatever you want it to be...

and if you come in last in a math contest you get the same award as the person who came in first...

and you can get paid $15 an hour to burn French fries at McDonalds...

makes me sick to my stomach! Now I think back when I took finite math for my degree and wonder if any of the new generation can even spell math!!

I took hold of my grand-daughter and questioned her on math. end result... I made her memorize the multiplication table and tested her. she knows it perfectly now

sorry to vent... I'll get off my soap box now
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05-23-2016 07:54 PM  3 years ago
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It's BIGGER than just arthritic ma tic

1/2 the math taught very few have a application for it - except for how many gram's in a ounce

Try reading a ruler But excellent in Flag Waving and marching around.

We built MEGA schools and put Hall Monitors and assistance engineers in them for Processing Product for participation trophy.

Civics s / History / Hy-gene / Home Economics : Forget it :

Turned em into JAILS - To raise Children in charge of the Kingdom !

The Socialist Corporate Parent Factory - The parent is WORSE !!!

Then Put Cop's in EM to stop the Warring !! Your Life is AT RISK from Pre - Childbirth - to Post Child birth : Then They don't even know the language -- Just march to Bell's and Whistles waving a flag.

Toss em sacks of FOOD !!!

THEY KNOW IT : Just ask the UNION's { WE NEED MORE $$$$$$$$$ }

THE BOOK"S ARE GONE !!!! To EXPENSIVE ask the Union's
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05-23-2016 08:36 PM  3 years ago
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no $hit...what happened to the books?!...

asked my kid last year when he was studying, he asked me a question, I responded with "well, lets see what the book says..." the response was "...we dont have books.."...

I just about lost my mind, they are not allowed to bring the books home... all they are given is handouts...to be able to bring home a text book they have to ask for permission and check it out from the school...You have to ask permission to learn?.... plus they dont even teach them how to take notes in class either...WTF!
showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...
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05-23-2016 08:58 PM  3 years ago
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You gota have the Candy Crush Jelly Queen Application !

Makes you wana cry - Especially if you witness it 1st hands on.

However : Kid's are stinking brilliant - They can back door the Note Book or the School Wi Fi so fast makes the Com Sci's earn their keep :

They cannot stop em either
Fun is when you go into a Sport's bar Restaurant -they got their pad and change all the channels'

No Such THING as Security Firewall's - Zippo : With the smart phone and My FACE Book - Little criminal enterprises - Parent's are CLUELESS -

Why School's have the Gestapo Squad's : They Run the Show

Wait till you go into a OLD Prime School Library : See 900 Note books being loaded up during summer vacation - 1/3 of it is now Day Care /1/3 some kinda reading hall for magazines and 1/3 some kinda lower tier supervised JAIL with a COP !

Why we have ASK Angie ! or Ask Sirie or your 33% European because the Leaf or 23 & Me said so

Nutty extraordinaire - The ONE WORLD GLOBAL initiative

Charge EM $25.00 to screw in a Light Bulb = GET RICH !!!
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05-23-2016 09:03 PM  3 years ago
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The book is as important as any teacher. I had a class being taught by a complete imbeciel. The students rebeled and tried to get a tenured prophesor kicked out (impossible BTW) . The book was pretty good. I ignored all the drama and just showed up for a few minutes ocasionally to confirm when the next test was. Aced the class.

The book has to be good. The teacher sets the pace and expectations, maybe fills in a few gaps and adds some real world context, but
ultimately we all teach ourselves, even if we have a great teacher.
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05-23-2016 09:28 PM  3 years ago
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True but however : LOT of stuff to consider.

I know CPME's that are Steller in the Book Taught : But in the Field under REAL TIME operating condition's or diagnosis ?? It's Duck AND Cover or get up wind as fast as you can. Can't assemble the puzzle pieces

You cannot hold on to MY -ROPE Your a Bunny

Git that Bunny out of here before we all DIE !!!

or

Individual's that can read like a machine gun or memorize like a parrot but have absolutely no -clue to what it say's : Better than Ching lish ! Get back to Pickles

Like if some one wants too let me play on a $500,000.00 Piece of Earth Moving Equipment ?? NOPE !! Cause I'll get goofy and drive it right into that basement over their

Do the ERKEL

BEst one ?? How bad we Hurt ? Well ? You get a NEW FACTORY

Auh Shuck's
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05-23-2016 10:12 PM  3 years ago
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I was always told, college teaches you how to think. It does not give you the answers, it teaches you how to arrive at a proper answer.
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05-23-2016 10:43 PM  3 years ago
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^^^^^^^

I sort of agree.
It's BIGGER than just arthritic ma tic
Of course it is! Your writing is a perfect example. Do not get me wrong but your posts usually give me headaches. Is it too much to ask you to write proper English? This issue has been brought to your attention by many RR members but you still refuse to stop writing non sense.
I will be more than thankful if you could stop the madness and use proper English to facilitate reading and comprehension.

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05-23-2016 11:11 PM  3 years ago
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How about Xenophobic Ebonics ?

Guess WHO's an AMERICAN :
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05-24-2016 12:43 AM  3 years ago
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he writes that way out of fear that what he says can be traced back to him... since most systems that do this use software to decipher what is written in order to monitor you or rather decide whether you should be monitored...Greys stuff does not show up on radar as computer programmers have not figured out how to write code that enables them decipher rhymes, riddles and lyrics into actual logical meaning... not yet anyway.showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...
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05-24-2016 02:40 AM  3 years ago
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^^^^^
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C'mon buddy! You are a computer guy, arent you?

GE only writes non sense to annoy people. There is something that annoys me more than his writing, that is people that encourages him to keep writing his BS. Would you encourage your kids to use his "language" in school or at work?

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05-24-2016 03:49 AM  3 years ago
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So ?

Now make a run at the Constitution of the United States of AMERICA ;

FREEDOM of Speech ? the 1st ??? : How about the Confederate Flag

Just Where are you FROM ???? a Post turtle ??

Kinda why they don't know the difference between the battle of Bull Run and the battle of Manasas /

or

the Difference between a Yankee and a Dixey

or why our children go {Diggity / Digitty / Diggity - Boogity / Boogity / Boogity

or

why Hot dog's come 8 to a pack but bun's come in 10 to a package

or what's a Hoosier

Why come to AMERICA to get a Education ???

Peanut needs to take a day off - Power of a hard working peanut

The Happiness of the ONE WORLD GLOBAL COMMUNITY
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05-24-2016 04:00 AM  3 years ago
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I am trying to get this back on track. One problem is that education does not want to offend someone by failing them, nor do they want to loose funding. At college level Accounting Courses we had to dumb down the tests to have everyone pass. If you gave a D or F as a final grade you had to justify it with paperwork all over the place. I use to teach the CPA Exam review courses and 60% of the people can not pass it because it is Hard. The students complain that that isn't fair. In public practice accounting if you have to justify a position you get no second chances for difficulty.
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05-24-2016 04:27 AM  3 years ago
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I'll tell you this much...for by BS in Computer Science, having to take Algebra, Stats, Trig, Pre-Cal, Cal I, Cal II, Cal III or Discrete Mathematics, Differential mathematics OR linear Algebra...was a significant level of overkill for what I needed to know as far as computer programming went.... and the "biggest" calculator you were allowed to use was a TI-83...

But what they are teaching my kid in school is worthless....not just in math, but all the other courses too. Its no wonder they graduate from high school, and lots of them flunk out of college their first year OR end up with a soft degree...
showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...
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05-24-2016 04:43 AM  3 years ago
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Feel the pain ! We had to { If you could afford it } RENT a HP 64 ?
but purchase your own chips you stuck in em.

Think a New one went for around $600.00

USE a PENCIL : Even still have a slide rule > But forgot they are accurate too ! ANOTHER CLASS

Not uncommon to drop $700.00 in Book's that you HATED Even in Used One's - really Hate those

They used too test in primary for the sort. Grade SCHOOL : by performance { Grade Level } then pass ? Next grade >>> Not by AGE .

Jethro Bo dine the ga zinta's

If their was a particular issue - TEST " Reading Examples " in primary or math - rotate back till it get's fixed.

You got REMEDIAL READING CLASSES > Remedial Math The weekly reader or AEIOU good ole curley. Spelin test's :

Then HOME WORK !!! You NO DO > YOU OUT !!!! so Sorry

Then Summer School !!!! Typing on a Type writer A MECHANICAL and you had to PURCHASE PAPER

We is IN BIG TROUBLE Pickle on a Bun
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05-24-2016 03:06 PM  3 years ago
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Sweet Lord, GE! Give it a rest!
I am trying to get this back on track. One problem is that education does not want to offend someone by failing them, nor do they want to loose funding. At college level Accounting Courses we had to dumb down the tests to have everyone pass. If you gave a D or F as a final grade you had to justify it with paperwork all over the place. I use to teach the CPA Exam review courses and 60% of the people can not pass it because it is Hard. The students complain that that isn't fair. In public practice accounting if you have to justify a position you get no second chances for difficulty.
I sort of agree

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