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04-24-2016 12:12 AM  31 months agoPost 1
es1co2bar3

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What you guys think"?

Only way I go back to the plastic logo unless they find a way to protect the landing mount."
You know on the previous plastic frame the landing mount keep broken each time the you have a crash.

But, the frame looking cool tho,
The lighter the heli the better the flights,"

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04-24-2016 12:27 AM  31 months agoPost 2
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I like the plastic frame, makes it nice and light. Yes it may break if you have a crash.......I have broken 1 frame out of hundreds of flights.
Also to save the frame you can use nylon bolts to attach landing gear.

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04-24-2016 12:52 AM  31 months agoPost 3
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Your picture is of the old Proto type that is not the production model.

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04-24-2016 01:28 AM  31 months agoPost 4
mr dan

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You know on the previous plastic frame the landing mount keep broken each time the you have a crash.
Logic would dictate not to crash then lol!

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04-24-2016 01:35 AM  31 months agoPost 5
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Your picture is of the old Proto type that is not the production model.
I am late then, I have never seen this one, can
You post a images of the production Mod.?
Also to save the frame you can use nylon bolts to attach landing gear.
They're good but not for long, I was frustrated with with plastic frame, as you have to take the heli apart just for a broken landing mount."

Even if you land too hard they can be easily broken."

That why I move to CBF, frame"

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04-24-2016 01:39 AM  31 months agoPost 6
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Any chance gorilla gear can ve used?

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04-24-2016 02:38 AM  31 months agoPost 7
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Mikado has
Upgrade carbon fiber/fiberglass landing skids for some models..I like the orange ones!

I do a great decending funnel!

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04-24-2016 03:30 AM  31 months agoPost 8
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04-24-2016 04:34 AM  31 months agoPost 9
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The easy fix is to don't hit the skids hard on the ground. Seriously, I recall having seen some reinforcement means for preventing the cracking, though, but I can't recall where. I have in past helis, actually run a small ziptie to hold the skids. Had a couple cases where the ties broke but nothing else did.

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04-24-2016 07:33 AM  31 months agoPost 10
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My problem with a plastic frame that breaks so easily is that typically things are zip tied to the frame, servo leads, esc leads. I've seen a plastic frame break into 3 pieces. Ripping servo leads from servos. Surely this can't be a cost savings.

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04-24-2016 02:19 PM  31 months agoPost 11
Ronald Thomas

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The new 700 frames separate into two halves, a top that houses all the electronics and a bottom. So if you break the bottom half, just remove it and replace it. No need to split the frames. You can also replace the from TT gear without splitting the frames

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04-24-2016 03:51 PM  31 months agoPost 12
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I just want to add something here on relative strengths. There are two options that manufacturers have when designing a new heli.

The first is to build it like a tank with thick CF frames. Sure, that is strong, but the main disadvantage is that it is heavy. What we, as operators want basically are contradicting design theorems. We want it light so that it performs well in flight, AND at the same time, we want it to be able to crash without damage. I'm here to tell you that mixing those two concepts always works out to be something that doesn't perform as well as it should.

The second thought is that you have to consider a cost factor that takes place when you crash. If you take heavy, carbon frames and break them, then you have a considerable cost in replacing them. With the glass filled or CF filled resin/plastic or whatever frames, they are able to be mass produce with very good consistency, so they are much less expensive to manufacture. And in view of the first thought above, they are also much lighter.

I have read that people don't like the extra flashing that sometimes happens with the molded parts. That's part of what I find interesting in this hobby. How long does it really take to clean up the edges on a frame side? It's a little labor intensive, but in the over all scheme of things, not so bad. I mean, on machine cut CF we have to sand the edges anyway and that is considerably more work than flash cleanup.

So everything comes down to a compromise. Weight, durability, crash ability, performance. I know I have helis from both sides of the equation. So that is what I feel makes me qualified to make this post. One thing a buddy said to me a long time ago when I was first getting into this area of the hobby about blades when I bought my first set of Edges, and that "nobody doesn't like Edge blades". Same thing in my working life before I retired. The only people that ever knocked Airbus aircraft were people that hadn't flown them. I never saw anyone who flew the Airbus move off it just because they didn't like it.

IMHO, Logo helis are the same situation. They are designed with a great mix of performance and enough durability for flight. I have two of them, and am looking forward to the release of the new 700. I did not get the CF version of the 700 simply because of the weight, but I do know my two existing helis have been flawless, so I plan to jump into the new 700 when the initial feeding frenzy dies down.

This is a hobby that each of us has gotten into for enjoyment, and in that view, we each should do what we enjoy. Have fun.

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04-24-2016 04:53 PM  31 months agoPost 13
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So if you break the bottom half, just remove it and replace it. No need to split the frames
"To tell you the truths, its make alot of sense, for this wasn't the reality on the old
Plastic frame,".

"So the one I had in the pic is that the new one. ?? 'Or I am still late to the latest products.?

I type mikado new L.700 and that what I come up with."
The first is to build it like a tank with thick CF frames. Sure, that is strong, but the
You don't think Thickness will contribute to more weight.? I still like the plastic frame because it weightless vs the CBF."

I us to think they made the plastic frame with that side effects, just to monopolize us pilot." "When you have 3 or 400 people flying and braking the same parts all the time, "that's production flaws."

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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04-24-2016 06:03 PM  31 months agoPost 14
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When you crash and a part breaks, it is not a production flaw. If you DON"T crash and a part breaks, different story...

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04-24-2016 06:06 PM  31 months agoPost 15
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Ronald Thomas
When you crash and a part breaks, it is not a production flaw. If you DON"T crash and a part breaks, different story...
I can crash my align helicopters break skids and hardly to never have to replace the frame because I broke the skids what a joke lol

them frames ain't cheap either

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04-24-2016 06:06 PM  31 months agoPost 16
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You don't think Thickness will contribute to more weight.? I still like the plastic frame because it weightless vs the CBF."
That was the point I was trying to make. To get a super sturdy heli that can withstand crashes, the CF frames have to be thick which adds weight.

My impression of what Mikado is doing is to design lightweight performance frames with the knowledge that they will suffer in a crash, so they are making them two part with hopes that the whole frame doesn't need to be replaced as a result of a crash.

The photo you posted was indeed an early prototype with saddle packs like their 800 and like the X7. They went back to the conventional fore/aft pack arrangement as far as I know, but retained the two part frame arrangement. I haven't actually seen one, but have read and seen photos of the new one.

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04-24-2016 08:55 PM  31 months agoPost 17
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I can crash my align helicopters break skids and hardly to never have to replace the frame because I broke the skids what a joke lol
them frames ain't cheap either
And you can do that with the 700XX as well....what is your point?

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04-24-2016 09:02 PM  31 months agoPost 18
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Ronald Thomas
When you crash and a part breaks, it is not a production flaw. If you DON"T crash and a part breaks, different story...
And you can do that with the 700XX as well
none I guess

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04-24-2016 09:37 PM  31 months agoPost 19
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When you crash and a part breaks, it is not a production flaw. If you DON"T crash and a part breaks, different story...
"Yes, but I mean every pilots who fly the same exact model and crash that parts is destined to broke no matter how you try.".....

It only sometimes you'll save that landing gears,

I have a slew of crash on that birds, and I'm just hoping before I reach the wreck that the landing mount is still intact."

As I don't want to go take the frame apart."

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04-24-2016 11:28 PM  31 months agoPost 20
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I still think attaching the landing gear with tie wraps if you are that concerned is the best way. They really don't look bad, and I still have helis with the gear attached that way.

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