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04-23-2016 01:21 AM  31 months agoPost 1
Heli_Splatter

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So, here is the question. I have someone that cannot fly that wants me to complete their setup. They leave the country next week. I am hesitant to setup something that could kill them.

What do you say.

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04-23-2016 01:31 AM  31 months agoPost 2
tommytt1

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I wouldn't ........

I made a mistake once, but I was wrong?

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04-23-2016 01:45 AM  31 months agoPost 3
Maxz

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You could slip and brake your neck in the shower but you still shower right?

There are a lot of dangers in life face it, but its how you handle the dangers that allows us to live life to the fullest.

I learned to fly Helicopters back in the 80's they were close to the size of a 700 and no where near the quality materials we use today.

If he's an adult and has common sense, I don't see an issue...

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04-23-2016 01:58 AM  31 months agoPost 4
dkshema

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He will never learn if he can't fly.

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* Making the World Better -- One Helicopter at a time! *

Team Heliproz

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04-23-2016 02:01 AM  31 months agoPost 5
Maxz

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BTW I did not have anyone to help me, back then heli pilots were few and far between. I had a ton of mishaps that could have been prevented if I had some one who knew what they were doing to help me build and properly set it up for flight.

I get your reservations but got to say that you would be doing better by him by insuring that its built right and ready to fly, then if he were to try and do it all on his own. If he is a noob it is safe to assume he would be in more danger doing it all on his own then if he had some competent help.

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04-23-2016 02:01 AM  31 months agoPost 6
ICUR1-2

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tell him that you will agree on the condition that you get the first 3 flights and then he's more or less on his own as far as injury goes.

spending time, paying attention

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04-23-2016 02:58 AM  31 months agoPost 7
artimus

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Is it just part of the hobby that newbies want to monopolize your time at the field. I have seen it alot in the past....now that I am the heli guy at the field. I get a lot of questions and asked to help with setup. I enjoy it myself. But I think the guys got to put the time to learn setup as well as just flying it. I have seen one guy go from guy to guy down the flight line asking the same setup questions. Never learning what was said to him, just wasting someone elses time to get him flying again.

I always say your gonna be a heli mechanic long before you become a heli pilot.

Fly Hard......Team Viagra

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04-23-2016 03:36 AM  31 months agoPost 8
ICUR1-2

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I always say your gonna be a heli mechanic long before you become a heli pilot.
that's how it worked out for me

spending time, paying attention

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04-23-2016 10:40 AM  31 months agoPost 9
Heli_Splatter

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Thanks for the replies
Yeah, I was surprised at the response. Many of my failures were because I could not build and trim my helicopters. My friend kind of put it the other way... My job was to learn to fly not wrench. BTW, this is not saying any of you are wrong, just my experience was different, I ended up learning to fly on the sim.

If this was a 450 or 500, I would not even be asking this question. I don't know this guy from Adam, met him twice for less than 10 minutes total. No simulator, nothing.. 700 all in.

A 700 would be ideal if someone was going to train him. Maybe I should let him fly my sim while I wrench so he can see that he is unprepared to fly. We all know what happened in Brooklyn.

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04-23-2016 11:32 AM  31 months agoPost 10
jackp332

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I would be hesitant to do this for a friend whom I trusted, let alone a complete stranger if I could not coach them through their first flights. This will be a judgement call on his character/commitment level by you. Should you decide to go through with it I would recommend that you make it a condition that he is at least present during the setup operations.

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04-24-2016 05:00 PM  31 months agoPost 11
Heli Fanatix

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Here is my suggestion and this is what I have done when I was in the same situation:

Sit him down and have a "come to Jesus moment" with the fella on:
- learning how to control the model (preferably on SIM)
- hopefully you can buddy box with the guy
- walk him through lipo batteries
- proper safety protocol on flying site, preflight check, handling, startup, while flying & post flight
- the potential dangers
- since you are experience to build him a perace fly setup Heli, he will be good

If you can educate him, he will understand otherwise if you don't help guide him. He will do it by himself and it'll be even worst. Let him know the correct way of getting into to the hobby.

If he listens, great. If he doesn't ... At least you given him the opportunity and correct advice.

I had a newbie said this:
"I just got into this hobby 2 days ago. I want you to build me a 770 Goblin a RTF so I can practice by myself in any empty parking lot after work (which is 8pm). Money is not a concern. Can you do that for me?"

I sat him down and suggested to him what I said earlier in this post. Luckily he listened. But there are other times when a guy's ego is writing checks his body can't cash or can't see the light.

So to that I have to say, "I realize not everyone might qualify for this hobby"

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04-24-2016 06:00 PM  31 months agoPost 12
jackp332

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I agree with everything you just said Scott. I have been in similar situations in the past I would rather forget. But if I may play devil's advocate for a moment- who are we to say who does or does not qualify for this hobby? .. I will admit that I am completely guilty of this. With me, first impressions are everything. From the way someone approaches me, speaks to me, to their general demeanor. I don't mean their physical looks in any way or what kind of hoopdee they roll up in but rather how respectful they are. Do they walk in to the field like they own the place and start demanding your assistance because 'I just bought me a TREX'? Or rather do they wait till you are free and politely ask if you mind them asking you questions and then demonstrate a genuine appreciation for what you are telling them and obviously show that they somewhat comprehend and are retaining what you are saying? If someone approaches me in that manner I will talk to them till the sun goes down while my model sits idle on the grass and probably give them my contact info. To the OP, I have found that you should usually trust your gut feeling on a person/situation as it's usually correct.

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04-24-2016 06:55 PM  31 months agoPost 13
Heli_Splatter

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Thanks guys... I decided not to help him...I hope that he does not go it alone... I explained that. We had a "come to Jesus" moment.

It is just a matter of time... had he come to me a month ago, I would have helped him in a New York second. I would like to see him in the hobby, really would. I just don't want to enable someone to hurt themselves. He is a nice guy. Some of the helicopter concepts did not become clear to me for several years... I cannot teach this in hours, and if I did, you would not remember 10%.

It is just wrong place, wrong time. Anybody wanting in, the simulator is absolutely the best place to start. Small real helicopter are tough to fly, but cheap to rebuild. Large helicopters are easier to fly, but expensive to rebuild. I opt for large helicopters in the sim. Same price, large or small.

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04-24-2016 07:02 PM  31 months agoPost 14
Heli Fanatix

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Hey Jack,

You explained my "Qualified to be in the hobby" thought very nicely. Some things can't be spelled and laid out.

When things go south, my last word would be, "let's have this conversation again in a few years"

Hope it works out well for ya OP

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04-24-2016 09:25 PM  31 months agoPost 15
es1co2bar3

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So, here is the question. I have someone that cannot fly that wants me to complete their setup. They leave the country next week. I am hesitant to setup something that could kill them.
What do you say.
"Well you could tell me who could fly when they just burst into the Hobby.? "It either you fly before
Or it your 1st time," We gotta start somewhere buddy."

If i did thought about all that you said here and put it into perspective," I wouldn't reach where I am at, and so does the people I carry along the way,"

The last person I help was a guys in a wheel chair, he was crippled and so was his hands,"
I realized he could not hover, and he want the most craziness of motor," he was stubborn and determine," I try to discouraged him but that didn't work." So I let him have his way."

I teach him the radio stuff take him 2 weeks,
I setup the heli it slow a baby could hover it,
At full throttle his training skid won't even go 6 inch off the grounds." He already havery a simulator." I told him to spend more time swimming and left him."

1 week later he shoot me a video and a message
Telling me all that he had done to the radio, am like wow" ,not everybody will get it right away
But there's no need to scare them just caution them, and help them on there way,"

The guy can't do no 3d, but he can fly some really good sport/farward flights."

I know your anxiety over this but you did the right thing though but sometime you have to caution as you can discorage people who really have a passion for flying" I was a living testament of this."

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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04-24-2016 09:26 PM  31 months agoPost 16
CoachE

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Making him realize that flying helicopters is a skill not a desire. You did the right thing.

My mentor told me a great example.... "jumping into a 700 size helicopter straight out the gate is like getting on a crotch rocket motorcycle and not ever even have touched a tricycle. you will hurt it, your self, or someone else. do you want that on you soul."

so.... I put the 700 away. bought a 200 fixed pitch heli and a simulator. after 6 months of crashing the 200 I got on the simulator like it was my job. I then could fly the 200 still crashed. and learned to rebuild.

I now 2 years later can safely fly my 200 450 and do small slow patterns with my "Expensive 700 size scale birds"

so again to all my fellow hard headed pilots out there this hobby patience, practice, persistence, and precision.

If it was easy everybody would do it!!!

BD Team Pilot / Get !T - Got !T - Perfect !T

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04-24-2016 10:35 PM  31 months agoPost 17
Heli_Splatter

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I have helped a one armed guy learn to fly helis... believe me, it is about spending time. If they have the time, I will dive in and do anything for them. This guy was not just wanting a free setup. Great guy... I just think turning him loose on a 700 without help is a bad recipe.

None of us knew how to hover and fly, until we knew how. I have seen some people show me the impossible. The same people who are saying set it up, are the same people that would excoriate me if he hurt himself. In a risk vs. reward calculation, it was high risk and no reward. easy.

My first flight instructor told me that I was too old to learn to fly. That was based on his observations of another guy that just could not get it. More than anything, it is desire and putting in the time and effort. If you want it badly enough, you can do this. It is not a piece of cake, but it is not the Manhattan project either.

This hobby needs more people, not less. They need to be willing to take the steps. Guys that start with quads don't seem to have the patience.

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04-24-2016 11:06 PM  31 months agoPost 18
artimus

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I had a guy long time ago walk up with a new N600 that had the best of every thing on at the time. Thought he was a new hot shot 3d pilot . Then asked if I knew how to start it.
It was sold to him by a lhs employee that knew he had never flowen. He was a good 3d pilot himself and knew better that to sell this guy that heli, but he wanted the sale.
I checked out the setup and it was barely flyable. After making some setup changes I took it up and flew good so
I buddy boxed the heli and took it up and let him have control....he immediately took it in a dive to the ground....I took over and got it back to the ground, shut it off and told him that he was gonna kill himself or somebody else if he tried to fly it again without learning on a smaller heli first.
He packed up and left never to be seen flying again.

Fly Hard......Team Viagra

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04-24-2016 11:15 PM  31 months agoPost 19
ICUR1-2

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The way I see it.
If the person does not like learning new technical stuff related to flying RC.
If they don't want to work to build new skills.
If they are shocked when I say about a 1000$, Then this hobby isn't for them.

spending time, paying attention

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04-25-2016 12:14 AM  31 months agoPost 20
jackp332

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"Guys that start with quads don't seem to have the patience."

Agreed.

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