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03-26-2016 07:27 PM  31 months agoPost 1
spaceman spiff

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How generous are you with your own money?

Probably best to avoid salary numbers, How about identifying as; "Starving victim of a cruel society" "Doing fine" ..... maybe what your curent fed tax bracket is vs what it should be?

"Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country." - JFK

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03-26-2016 07:44 PM  31 months agoPost 2
GREYEAGLE

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Never seen a Hearse Pulling a U-Haul and Shrouds have NO - Pockets.

Is the Hand open to receive ? or the hand open to take ? or is the hand open to give ?

Do YOU Serve or do you expect to be served ?

Can't take it with YA ! My Business is NONE of YOUR Business

Give with HILARITY = SERVICE

P.S> The Bunnies are coming - Get the Carrots READY !!

Here Bunny / Bunny - Bunny

Give too Caesar what is Caesar's !

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03-26-2016 07:54 PM  31 months agoPost 3
Dennis (RIP)

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A "fair" tax will only work if it is locked into the constitution as an amendment.

Otherwise politicians will quickly revert it right back to the old ways as they choose for their own purposes.

There is no ther way.

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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03-26-2016 08:22 PM  31 months agoPost 4
spaceman spiff

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OK, Fair tax. All pay the same percentage. Sounds fair, but the guy who builds custom homes works harder and pays much more than the guy who flips bugers. In return they both get the same public schools, same military, police protection, same highways, same politicians to make fun of...

Obviously that's not fair.

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03-26-2016 08:37 PM  31 months agoPost 5
spaceman spiff

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How about everyone chucks in the same amount? like the home associations do?

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03-26-2016 08:56 PM  31 months agoPost 6
Dennis (RIP)

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OK, Fair tax. All pay the same percentage. Sounds fair, but the guy who builds custom homes works harder and pays much more than the guy who flips bugers. In return they both get the same public schools, same military, police protection, same highways, same politicians to make fun of...
Obviously that's not fair.
Depends on your definition of "fair"

20% of $2 million dollars is a hell of a lot more than 20% of $50,000.00. It's simple math.

No matter who works the hardest in any category of earning all paying the same percentage, except the very low income, is actually fair.

But, only the raw math proves it to be. Emotions and politicians screw up the whole picture and throws the idea into the trash can.

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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03-26-2016 09:08 PM  31 months agoPost 7
jharkin

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How about everyone chucks in the same amount? like the home associations do?
Its pretty easy to demonstrate how that could never work with elementary school math:

Last year the IRS pulled in 3 trillion dollars give or take.

The US population is 318 million people.

If you make some overly simplistic assumptions (no corporate tax, etc) and divide those you get $9,433 per person.

So an average family of 4, making the US median income of about $50,000 would owe $37,735 in federal tax. Or about 75%. Add state and property tax and they are basically left with nothing.

Bill gates, with a wife and 3 kids would owe $47,165. As a percentage of his 78 billion dollar net worth, or even what he probably made in dividends on his portfolio last year, this is a number almost too small to measure.

For the same reason a flat tax percentage will be hard to make work. The % necessary to bring in enough revenue would disproportionately hurt struggling blue collar and lower middle class families - while giving professionals like me a nice break I dont really need and a massive windfall to the 1%.

The result would be a lot more families pushed into poverty and relying on public assistance and it would kill the economy by massively reducing the consumer spending of the bottom half that is the engine of growth.

see http://www.cnbc.com/2015/11/11/gop-...not-add-up.html

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03-26-2016 09:11 PM  31 months agoPost 8
baby uh1

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A straight percentage is the only rate that truly is fair. No one should pay a higher percentage just because someone thinks that you can afford it.

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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03-26-2016 09:15 PM  31 months agoPost 9
spaceman spiff

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3 trillion $ devided by 300 million folks....

10k$ each. Fair and square, just like splitting cab fare.

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03-26-2016 09:16 PM  31 months agoPost 10
jharkin

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I feel like Im talking to a wall.

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03-26-2016 09:21 PM  31 months agoPost 11
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Does anyone ever share a cab with you more than once?

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03-26-2016 09:25 PM  31 months agoPost 12
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If a government apparatus maintains the schools, roads, and system that you happen to thrive or struggle in, you should contribute to it directly in proportion as to whether said system causes you to thrive or struggle.

A flat tax percentage across all income groups, with no loopholes mind you, does this just fine.

And let's not forget that you should not just tax work income, but capital gains, dividends, etc. All at the same rate. Period. The amount you bring in, no matter what source, should be taxed. The amount your wealth increased before spending is what you earned.

I also believe luxury taxes should be removed. They inhibit purchases which could potentially keep people employed. Tax on nice cars, boats, etc slows down an economy. Everyone is hurt by this.

But first and foremost, we need a total revamp of what is fair in the banking and loan system. It is crushing people under debt and benefiting from it. You can tax at an even rate all you want, but sociopathic banking will still rob people of their wealth and power. The rich do not work so much as make their money work, without actually producing anything. Before "too big to fail" it could be said that their gains were deserved for taking on risk. But increasingly, the results of risk is being passed onto the average Joe. The banking bailout was the biggest crock of wealth transfer to the banking system our country has seen. GM bailouts, nationalization of corporate interests, etc. is doing the rest. The system is corrupt to its very core. The rich benefit greatly from the loopholes and advantages they can take that others cannot. Many just move money around and make money doing it. This is not "earning" a living. It's making a living at expense of others. A lot needs to change.

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03-26-2016 09:26 PM  31 months agoPost 13
GREYEAGLE

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Really buried in the weed's failing to see a BIG Picture :

Either you can look at a bag of spelt M&M's or look at the factory that makes em. Playing around looking at Pennies.

THE TAX CODE's are OVER 80,000 pages NOT including almost 300 year's of CASE law.

NOT SIMPLE - You cannot UN WIND that KNOT - with pennies of LAW that created it thru dishonorable means and intention's.

The Spending MUST be Stopped - Or where the EXCESS Benevolence is sent . It is NOT the CASH FLow of The INTAKE: OVER ABUNDANCE

Yet it is Corrupt : PHONY - CYBER Point's
Poor Husbandry or management of EXPENSES : CASH due Diligence.

From the moment a baby drop's from the womb - NEGATIVE $38,000.00 in DEBT

Nation is 19 TRILLION in DEBT :

YOU will Not FIX it Playing with Citizen TAX CODES -pennies

ROME IS BURNING with No LAW - The Un accountable due to the SIN NATURE of MAN.

So HOW ??

We are ALSO a VERY SMALL Country yet WHOM do we support ??

SLAVES

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03-26-2016 09:50 PM  31 months agoPost 14
Dennis (RIP)

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And let's not forget that you should not just tax work income, but capital gains, dividends, etc. All at the same rate. Period. The amount you bring in, no matter what source, should be taxed. The amount your wealth increased before spending is what you earned
Here is a few things most people do not get about capital gains taxes.

Capital gains taxes are taxes on money earned through investing.

Some claim that money invested has already been earned through some means. Thus, it's already been taxed before it was invested.

But, that's not true because capital gains taxes apply only to money earned through investing. Not the money invested.

No matter. The key here is the rate (amount) taxed.

Whenever capital gains taxes are high, our economy retracts. Businesses close. People get laid off. Retail sales lag.

Whenever capital gains taxes are low, the economy expands. Businesses open. New jobs are created. Retail sales increase.

The later has been documented and proven in our economy time and time again without fail.

Politicians have separated money earned through investing from money earned through working. Why? Because it's an excellent way to gain revenue from those that can afford to invest without upsetting those millions upon millions that earn through work. Those millions upon millions have the power of the vote. Those that are investors don't.

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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03-26-2016 10:11 PM  31 months agoPost 15
spaceman spiff

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OK Harkin, i am in the 28% fed bracket. My brother is one of the few in the 39% bracket.

If the Bern were to get what he says he really wants - 90% - i would be untouched (maybe), but my brother would get crushed. Nice house and horses gone. (not kidding) Fair?

39% is not already more than "fair share" ? Really?

100 points to Grey.

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03-26-2016 10:30 PM  31 months agoPost 16
GREYEAGLE

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Let's try too paint a picture with a broad brush too maybe set a few men free.

Today :

What you made last week ?? You didn't get to collect your back sweat effort -- until you began Wednesday labor. You got too keep -your sweat $$
Some say it Begin's on Thursday !

Wed / Thursday / and Friday :::ARE YOURS -- Monday and Tuesday you are working for SAM ---- Then Stealth taxes like Sale's ect kick in - least a couple dozen that you do not see.
From That --- you give too those in "true need" - your excess - I do not run my life by it.

It will destroy you - Pure Biblical !!! actually maybe more about it than anything in it if you studied : Life management. They Refuse

With the advent of Auto Deposit in the Late 70's - YOU DO NOT SEE IT - your efforts are not tangible to the eye.

With the advent of the auto with drawl - AGAIN you do not see it.

You may believe your wage is $60,000.00 but your NET - Is actually 40,000.0 Then toss on Credit Karma for FREE !! Or Mortgages / Car Loan's / student loans ect. KID's ----- $250,000.00 per POP

Essentially it work's like this:

You didn't see it coming in /You didn't see it going out / your CREDIT is DEBT as a MULTIPLIER.

Last one: The illegal drug industry - HARD CASH - CROPS

How does it get OUT ?? Past the banks ??

Sin Nature of MAN

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03-27-2016 12:45 AM  31 months agoPost 17
spaceman spiff

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Most of us here are above average wage earners, even have disposable income. Nobody stepping up to pay more tax?

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03-27-2016 12:55 AM  31 months agoPost 18
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I will start paying more when the Government can spend what it has more wisely and efficiently . Which isn't going to happen anytime soon.

Got to have my cup of heli in the morning.

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03-27-2016 01:00 AM  31 months agoPost 19
wrongler

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Fair share??? Started working at age 12, paid my " fair share" for over 50 years! How about at retirement you quit paying! Nope, They are still taking from my pension and SS. Give me a break instead of the lazy, gimme gimme people!
Just a thought!

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03-27-2016 02:54 AM  31 months agoPost 20
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Work for Welfare - Work for Food - Work for Shelter

We even have these Hugh Institutions' - they should be doing work - regardless of the Orange Suits .

You make a baby ? You Pay for it
Work for Free - Even FREE EBT ! should be the New American Creed

Just like China and North Korea !

You no Worky / Worky ??? You set on Curb

He Worky / Worky - He get parking permit.

No Bunney ZONE

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