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03-25-2016 04:22 AM  29 months agoPost 1
ssrobzoom

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I've got a 550 Compass running a 6s setup, with Scorpion HKIII 4025-1100KV motor and castle creations 120hv edge speed controller.

MKS HV1220 on cyclic
MKS HV HBL 669 on tail
Also, running a separate on board 2s to power the electronic.

I will be installing a spartan vx1e, which is running version 3.01 firmware and

Should the spartan be updated to the latest M6 v4.52?

Anyone got the configuration setting they would like to share on the spartan setup to get me off the ground?

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03-30-2016 01:23 AM  29 months agoPost 2
Powerdyne

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I would highly recommend updating the firmware on your Vortex and Datapod to the most current. Doing so will reset all parameters to factory default whenever you move from one M version to another (M5-M6)

Doing this means you will have to do a full setup from scratch on your helicopter.

If you plan on using the Vortex Governor, it is highly recommended. Especially if you are going to be running Spektrum radio, or DMSS, or Xbus. There are really important updates that have taken place for those Radio systems over the past few updates.

As far as configurations go, once you get your Transmitter and Receiver set up correctly in the Vortex unit, and get your swash and tail set up, you basically just need to go into the Heli Wizard, and select your Helicopter size class.

Doing so will give you a good baseline tune that will at least get you hovering. From there you can go into the style wizard and choose a parameter set. Or, you can just start tuning to your liking.

It's tough to share a group of settings because every helicopter will require a little different set of parameters to dial it in fully. The Spartan Heli Wizard gets you very close once you get everything set up, and the heli should be flyable with those base settings.

As far as the governor goes, you need your specific gear ratio. This is totally dependent on your main and pinion gear selection. Will you be using the Castle Gov, or the Spartan Gov? The ESC needs to be set up differently for each.

What kind of flying style do you normally perform? That in itself is going to dictate exactly where you need to start.

Personally, I find that I really like the BertK settings with a few additional tuning tweaks here and there as needed. Your mileage may vary there however.

One thing I would highly recommend is using the Spartan Studio software in Demo mode and running through a setup in demo. If you start in the setup menu, and work your way through the settings from top to bottom until you get the "Finish" button" to click, you will have a much better understanding of how it works. Each step in either Demo Mode, or Actual setup mode will have very good descriptions of all functions in the right hand side pane of the Studio window.

If you need further assistance please feel free to ask.

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03-30-2016 02:22 AM  29 months agoPost 3
Skunkworx

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+1 to what Powerdyne said. Update the firmware on the data pod and vortex, then simply walk through each of the menus and use the wizard to get it in flyable shape. You'll need to tweak a little more after a few fam flights as you get used to the way it controls, but it should basically fly well if the settings are to your liking (eg-max cyclic and collective pitch, zeroed out and leveled swash, etc...).

One note I'll give on my own models: I found the gain levels needed to be much lower than on other units like Ikon or Skookum (or at least it feels weird putting in 22-26% compared to high 60s to low 70s on a Spektrum radio). Also, the pitching-up compensation needs some work on the smaller models. I didn't find it to be bad on my 6HVU, but on my X3 I can't do much FFF before it noses up on me, so you have to tinker with that setting in some instances. Lastly, the tail rotation rate seems to be a lot more accurate than what I saw out of the Ikon gyros, but you'll use much smaller values to get the same effect our feel in flight. I was close to 700°per second on the Ikon where with the Spartan it only needed 550°, which is almost dead-on with any simulator I've tried, so the feeling is very repeatable. The new V4.XXX software is supposed to be even better on tail compensation, so if that's true then this puppy should be one of the best you can get your hands on (because it's already really good on V3.XXX!

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03-31-2016 04:31 PM  28 months agoPost 4
Powerdyne

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I find the same on the tail settings that Skunkworx stated. One thing of note on the tail though.

Do a trim flight as soon as you get your helicopter dialed up to flying condition to your liking. The Trim flight will basically correct for any mechanical errors in your setup on the tail, and will adjust your centering and end points, stop values, and accel/decel rates accordingly.

If you are noticing a lot of bounce in piro stops on the first couple of hovers do a trim flight.

The trim flight will also reveal any swash servo inconsistencies that need to be addressed. It will save the settings for the tail, but will not save any corrections on the Cyclic. Those must be adjusted via ball links, or electronically in the Vortex servo trim menu.

Doing this will immensely help in getting the swash set and the tail locked in. From there you can adjust the compensation rates for the tail to cyclic and to collective. It's not a cure-all for the tail, but it will basically give you an old school rate mode setup to work from. You may still need to make some fine gain adjustments, and or stop adjustments, but you will notice the tail handling much more smoothly after a trim flight.

For your Governor, if you plan on using the Vortex gov (Highly recommended!), you will need to set your Castle ESC in Multirotor mode, but only after setting in airplane mode to change the throttle response setting to "High". (Then setting it back to multirotor mode)

I do have a rambly video I did for this kind of thing for V3.72 before the eGov was available on V4. (Disregard the 3.72 download for the firmware) Studio software can now use the Governor setup with V4 now.

Watch at YouTube

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