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03-22-2016 07:59 PM  3 years ago
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Ace Dude

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Amazon Has Spent $9.4 M Lobbying for Drone Delivery
http://www.uasvision.com/2016/03/22...drone-delivery/
  
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03-22-2016 09:58 PM  3 years ago
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wow, I knew the corporate beast was behind the recent FAA reg, lobbying for a ceiling between 2 to 4 hundred feet, f the hobbyists they are nothing all of a sudden? Up sell of stock market margins, call a spade a spade, man, who invented rc? Corporations can buy rc hobbyists off and just make them disappear?
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03-22-2016 11:42 PM  3 years ago
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In any other country on the planet, giving money to politicians for political favor would be a bribe. Here, it is a campaign contribution or lobbying.

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03-23-2016 12:11 AM  3 years ago
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Lets suppose this all goes through. I say the clubs provide the AMA with GPS coordinates of their fields and those locations are inputted into a database that the Amazon Drones are not allowed to fly within. Give the field a 1/8 mile radius that is a "no-fly" zone for commercial drones to fly in. But that probably would never happen because "oh it would be too difficult" ...yeah... no.

I have been thinking for the past year that the commercial drone delivery companies are behind all of this.

3-5 year future plan, step-by-step:

1. Get everyone to register.
2. Start imposing ever-increasing restrictions on all RC flight.
3. Start restricting which types of aircraft are allowed.
4. Implement a ban on the sale of certain broad sections of rc products.
5. Issue cease and desist letters to everyone who is on the list as well as the general public for all hobby and non-professional rc flying.
6. The previous RC hobby friendly skys are now abuzz with delivery, police, etc. "professional/commercial" drones.

They need to do it step by step over time so people will slowly give in and give up.
Steve - Mount Joy RC Club
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03-23-2016 12:16 AM  3 years ago
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Perhaps RC flying fields in reasonable proximity to small airports isn't such a bad thing as it will keep the commercial drones away. Would be curious to know how far away those commercial drones need to stay away from a small GA non-towered airport.  
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03-23-2016 12:39 AM  3 years ago
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It's a large part of why we will never get above 400ft back, ever. Delivery drones are getting somewhere above that and below 1200ft. It's going to be hobby stuff below 400ft, commercial delivery drones at 500ft? to something below VFR aircraft minimums. Our hobby has changed forever.
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03-23-2016 12:58 AM  3 years ago
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This is Amazon's idea. This is not a new picture. I and others have posted it many times. Glad I live in the boonies.

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03-23-2016 01:33 AM  3 years ago
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Well look on the bright side if lose our hobby we can always take up drone hunting spending time, paying attention
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03-23-2016 06:45 PM  3 years ago
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I like Amazon but I'm not giving up my airspace just so they can deliver packages by quad. This is a piss poor idea and I'm of the opinion that they can kiss my a$$. I don't care how much money they have spent on research, I'm flying models until I can't do it anymore and don't have anything left to fly.Part 107.
The only ZERO flight hour certificate in the world.
It's like getting a driver's license without the driver's test.
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03-23-2016 07:34 PM  3 years ago
S.Dykes

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I like Amazon but I'm not giving up my airspace just so they can deliver packages by quad. This is a piss poor idea and I'm of the opinion that they can kiss my a$$. I don't care how much money they have spent on research, I'm flying models until I can't do it anymore and don't have anything left to fly.
well said and ditto for me.
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03-23-2016 11:14 PM  3 years ago
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TMoore
I like Amazon but I'm not giving up my airspace just so they can deliver packages by quad. This is a piss poor idea and I'm of the opinion that they can kiss my a$$. I don't care how much money they have spent on research, I'm flying models until I can't do it anymore and don't have anything left to fly.
I agree they can kiss my @ss
I don't like them at all since they opened a hub here
I now have to pay tax on anything thru them
So I don't have any use for them at all now

Especially since there messing with my favorite hobby
ageing is manditory maturity is optional
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03-24-2016 03:25 AM  3 years ago
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This whole situation with the Feds wanting to micro regulate is going to degrade into civil disobedience I think.Part 107.
The only ZERO flight hour certificate in the world.
It's like getting a driver's license without the driver's test.
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03-24-2016 03:46 AM  3 years ago
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TMoore,, personally I don't believe Amazon has spent 9.4 Million on itJim
Buzz Buzz Buzz
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03-24-2016 05:31 AM  3 years ago
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They can claim anything they like. We won't know for sure.Part 107.
The only ZERO flight hour certificate in the world.
It's like getting a driver's license without the driver's test.
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03-24-2016 01:45 PM  3 years ago
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Instead of hunting for wild game we can hunt Xmas gifts . I'd like to see how at 400 to 500 foot ceiling ,Amazon can keep dishonest people from interfering with drone deliveries .I stole it ,flew it and gave it back ;)
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03-24-2016 03:42 PM  3 years ago
don s

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I can guarantee you that the penalties will be severe if one of the serfs molests an amazon drone.E820, Raptor G4N, X50F/E, E620, Forza 450, and some planks.
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03-24-2016 04:05 PM  3 years ago
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Penalties that'll be part of the fun avoiding them

Always wanted to go hunting with out killing animals

Can't wait
spending time, paying attention
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03-24-2016 04:43 PM  3 years ago
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I see tethered balloons becoming popular - for inexplicable reasons - and then becoming illegal.

Maybe falconry will become main stream? And then become illegal.

Maybe it's like this.?.? Will Amazon drone batteries, motor, ESCs etc be locked, encrypted, or otherwise RFI equipped? As hobbyists, maybe we're looking at this in the wrong light. Amazon may think they are delivering 6 ping-pong balls to the empty lot down the street but in reality, they will be delivering a healthy 10,000 MAH battery. I certainly don't condone vandalism or theft but I can't help but wonder what the RTB (return to base) rate would be for these things.

Going on... Who will be back at Amazon central waiting for these things to return? Will we wake up one day to headlines of Amazon drones arriving back at their dispatch point with a 10 pound "device" attached?

Will a day come when there are 5,000 Amazon drones "in the wild" that never returned to home and are now being re-purposed for "other" "aerial deliveries"?

It really is a brave new world isn't it?

Bill
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03-24-2016 06:40 PM  3 years ago
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wjvail I see tethered balloons becoming popular - for inexplicable reasons - and then illegal.

Maybe falconry will become main stream? And then illegal.
Aw, C'mon Bill, that's just nuts!

You know good and well that you'll first need to register your balloon with the Federal Universal Ballon Aerial Registry (FUBAR), well before it becomes illegal.

And, Falconry? PPPFFFFT!!! That bird will first be subject to a litany of intelligence tests from the Federal Air Intelligence Laboratory (FAIL) to make sure it'll stay away from "drones".

See, it won't be illegal. Far from it...so get out there and enjoy your balloons and birds folks! What a great pastime*!!!!

-JB

*only with required federal documentation, not valid in all states, territories, provinces and cities. Void where prohibited.
J. B. Jones
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03-25-2016 08:13 PM  3 years ago
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Well look on the bright side if lose our hobby we can always take up drone hunting
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Oh no doubt. AR's, AK's and 308's can reach out! Of course someone will actually do this and we'll start having random projectiles coming down on us. It's amazing to me how difficult it is for some people to grasp the concept that just because you missed your target, the bullet didn't just vanish. But, I have to admit, drone hunting would be a rush!
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