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03-22-2016 05:59 AM  3 years ago
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TMoore

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FAA Approval for kit building?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngog...s/#35c30ea6f21c
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It's like getting a driver's license without the driver's test.
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03-22-2016 10:52 AM  3 years ago
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You Cannot Build A Kit Aircraft
Just how is it that AMA has not brought this detail to our attention? This is major infringement on the hobby. It is buried in the senate version of the FAA re-authorization.

Another example of AMA being asleep at the wheel or worse in bed with the manufacturers, take your choice.
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03-22-2016 11:04 AM  3 years ago
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I will need to know more about this before engaging panic mode.

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03-22-2016 11:34 AM  3 years ago
Heli_Splatter

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Suggested Message to Senators
Maybe you could modify and send this message to your senators;

I am very discouraged about a provision within the FAA re-authorization bill. Included within that legislation is a prohibition for any individual to build and fly their own "drone" designs. Sir, respectfully, I have be building and flying my aircraft for 15 years.

It is not the people capable of creating aircraft you should be concerned with. By the time a such a person has the ability to do such a project, they are an asset not a suspect. We inventors are VERY much in tune with flying properly and following the law. Passing this provision would kill the "Orville and Wilbur" spirit of this country. We need more, not less people inventing. Prohibiting such activities flies in the face of 80 or more years of building and flying hobby aircraft.

Model aircraft are the incubator of the aircraft industry. We perceive what is possible and make it happen. The rest of the world goes on, while we restrict our residents. How are you going to enforce this?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngog...s/#6b5b45c8a6f2
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03-22-2016 11:38 AM  3 years ago
Heli_Splatter

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Panic Mode?

I did consider the source; Forbes. I consider them to be reputable. So why did no one else see this in the senate legislation. There was a lot of concentration on the house version and not a lot spent on the senate.

Wow, so when this passes, we will only be able to buy RTF aircraft and only after they have met significant standards review. That would be a year or two stand-down for sales of all model aircraft while they provide engineering proof of meeting standards that probably don't even exist at the moment. (you should be reading more expensive)

Yesterday, I heard that the re-authorization was likely dead for this year and a continuing resolution was more likely. So maybe the issue is dead (maybe not) but there appear to be people pushing this issue at our expense.
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03-22-2016 12:49 PM  3 years ago
Dr.Ben

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It ain't dead on tbe senate side; it already passed.

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03-22-2016 12:53 PM  3 years ago
dkshema

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"But it's only $5, and just a piece of paper. What is there to worry about?"-----
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03-22-2016 01:12 PM  3 years ago
albatross

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But it's only $5, and just a piece of paper. What is there to worry about?"
Predator drones...you will never see it coming.

Obama has said himself that he is "really good at killing"(sic).
...my handle backwards is how I feel about current world affairs...
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03-22-2016 01:21 PM  3 years ago
conbones

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those who payed and complied are going to get exactly what they payed for.
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03-22-2016 01:42 PM  3 years ago
bparro

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Exactly.
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03-22-2016 01:48 PM  3 years ago
rpat

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Ok so what is going to happen to all of the kits that are laying around all of the hobby shops and in peoples cupboards? Are they going to have to surrender them to the Gmen?trex 700fbl cal30,minititan,, trx600fbl,trex250,logo 500,Velocity N2
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03-22-2016 01:50 PM  3 years ago
rpat

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This CRAP gets better and better by the week....where's my zanax.trex 700fbl cal30,minititan,, trx600fbl,trex250,logo 500,Velocity N2
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03-22-2016 01:54 PM  3 years ago
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The Forbes article....with the idiot attorney's comment....indicates that by current federal law...that "hobbyists" are still exempt from FAA rulings.

As hobbyists, there is no "interstate commerce".

That shyster is FOS.

FWIW
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03-22-2016 02:54 PM  3 years ago
don s

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This is most likely for commercial operators only.

But don't worry, this isn't the final version. It could get so much worse.
E820, Raptor G4N, X50F/E, E620, Forza 450, and some planks.
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03-22-2016 02:54 PM  3 years ago
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Lately I've collected a few old school kits that I hope to build when I have more time. I've recently put aside a Sig King Kobra, Bridi UFO, and Sig LT-40 kit.

I just love opening a new box of beautifully sawn balsa and neatly rolled plans. The smell of freshly sanded wood and a light coating of dust gets my head dreaming of what is to come.

It recently occurred to me that not only did you not have to build to fly these days, but if kits keep going away at their current rate, you won't be able to build. How much longer will kit cutters and balsa wood suppliers be around?

I did not see a push coming from the federal government to make it illegal to build. Looks like I'm about to become a felon with my storage room full of a felons weapons.

Bill
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03-22-2016 02:58 PM  3 years ago
wjvail

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This is most likely for commercial operators only.
But don't worry, this isn't the final version. It could get so much worse.
"No situation is so bad that it cannot be made worse by poor decisions."

Bill
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03-22-2016 03:14 PM  3 years ago
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Dr. Ben.. I believe that they passed a continuing resolution for the next 3.5 months. They did not pass a permanent bill for conference.

So we kick the can down the road using the 2012 law. Before the 2012 law passed, they kicked the can many times.

Where was the AMA on this? I can't believe the $5 comment. ..Un-Related.. I heard an estimate of 2.8million aircraft sold and 400K FAA registrations. So I guess those 2.4million dissidents did not help either.
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03-22-2016 03:41 PM  3 years ago
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It's ironic to me that they would make it illegal to build your own drone. Isn't the core of the problem ARF drones bought by the bushel by irresponsible FNGs?

I built my own drone. Even after 50 years of modeling, I found it an enjoyable, educational and challenging experience. It took weeks to source the correct components and as long to assemble them. I can tell you without hesitation that if every drone flier had to build their own drone, as I did, we would not be in the situation we are in today.

"Well, nothing bad can happen now."
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03-22-2016 04:15 PM  3 years ago
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+1
if every drone flier had to build their own drone, as I did, we would not be in the situation we are in today.
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03-22-2016 05:13 PM  3 years ago
Eury

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When I read this a couple days ago I emailed my AMA rep. This was the response:
I requested info on FAARA 2124 / Senate Bill as to how we are addressing these hobby restrictions for building model aircraft and retrofitting existing models. These requirements and restrictions may only apply to "higher risk" over 55 lbs. although we would also object to that class of model aircraft being subjected to these restrictions as well.

Eric and I have worked with John Goglia at Vaughn College of Aeronautics who wrote the article for Forbes...he is a friend to AMA.

When I get a reply, I will forward to you.
Haven't heard anything back yet, but not exactly confidence inspiring.
Nick Crego

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