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02-03-2016 09:43 PM  31 months agoPost 1
thtoyman

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http://transportation.house.gov/upl...rr_act_text.pdf

So what do you make of this. Start om page 212

so do we need to ,or not?

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02-03-2016 09:55 PM  31 months agoPost 2
xcellgasman101

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so do we need to ,or not?
What??? there is no more info, yep I need to get back the last 15 minutes of my life,, XGM/VGM

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02-03-2016 10:12 PM  31 months agoPost 3
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So basically all this registration crap was a ruse?

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02-03-2016 10:32 PM  31 months agoPost 4
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permit as practical test
still no know-how required to play r/c,
free will just as before,

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02-03-2016 11:35 PM  31 months agoPost 5
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Hmmmm . . . a bill to take away from the FAA function and responsibility of certain operations to include control over "model" aircraft and give "model aircraft" the same language (bottom of pg 215) as Congress has previously granted but the FAA has chosen to undermine.

I like . . .

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02-04-2016 12:13 AM  31 months agoPost 6
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Big thing that I saw was the proposed repeal of section 336 that we rely on to keep the FAA off our backs. As I read through this, though, it goes on to essentially redefine the parts of 336 that apply to model aircraft operations.

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02-04-2016 01:13 AM  31 months agoPost 7
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As I noted, it's not a repeal of 336, it repeats 336.

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02-04-2016 05:14 AM  31 months agoPost 8
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H.R. 4441. Looks real, looks as if it's been introduced.

Continues to repeat the language of Public Law 112-95 Section 336 prohibiting the FAA from promulgating any rule or regulation affecting model aircraft.

It reaffirms that the FAA is to steer clear of regulating model aircraft. Period.

It also appears to relax somewhat the definition of model aircraft and what should be hands off for the FAA.

Need to keep a close eye on this bill and its passage.

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02-04-2016 05:36 AM  31 months agoPost 9
rcflyerheli

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However, it also appears to delete Sec 333, which is where commercial operators get their approval. I did not see any where in the parts that I read that re defined that info in this bill.

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02-04-2016 05:55 AM  31 months agoPost 10
revmix

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Sec 333
will be superseded by Part 107

https://www.faa.gov/regulations_pol...t_signature.pdf

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02-04-2016 10:46 AM  31 months agoPost 11
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Sec. 336 is the law of the land.

Don't like it?

Write your foolish Congressmen.

Until then, Sec. 336 is FEDERAL LAW.

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02-05-2016 08:18 AM  31 months agoPost 12
aceisback

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Sec. 336 is the law of the land.

Don't like it?

Write your foolish Congressmen.

Until then, Sec. 336 is FEDERAL LAW.
Yeah it is a law with a big fat "IF" in it...The FAA can twist it to work in their favor if they desire.

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02-05-2016 10:05 AM  31 months agoPost 13
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The FAA can't make law.

Sec. 336 is the law of our land....period.

As an RC hobbyist, I am exempt from any BS from the political hack Huerta and his FAA.

According to current FEDERAL LAW.

If Huerta's minions even try to fine me for anything.....my attorneys will simply invoke Sec. 336....and in 15 minutes or less...the FAA loses.

And then it will be my turn at bat....lol

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02-05-2016 10:10 PM  31 months agoPost 14
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As an RC hobbyist, I am exempt from any BS from the political hack Huerta and his FAA.
Unless you are caught flying in a reckless or dangerous manner, then 336 means nothing.

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02-05-2016 10:43 PM  31 months agoPost 15
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Congress recognized Interim Rule FA#

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02-06-2016 01:19 AM  31 months agoPost 16
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Unless you are caught flying in a reckless or dangerous manner
and who is going to make that definition for us that fly 3D?...this then becomes a he said she said situation...and the guy with the gold makes the rules...the FAA will just decide to define 3D flying as just that, a reckless or dangerous manner...and then you will have to prove to a judge that 3D is not, its a style of flying... and good luck with that.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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02-06-2016 01:48 AM  31 months agoPost 17
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fly 3D
aerobatics is not prohibited

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02-06-2016 02:39 AM  31 months agoPost 18
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My take on the safety issue will depend on if a spectator or bystander gets injured. Particularly with some of the high speed 3D maneuvering that is done.

I've seen many cases of FAA enforcement and the reckless and dangerous is the one that is hardest to defend against. In cases where it goes to court, the transportation judge nearly always sides with the FAA.

I feel that it's going to take a major court case to determine just where hobbyist stand in this case.

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02-06-2016 02:56 AM  31 months agoPost 19
revmix

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high speed 3D maneuvering
normal activity on a flying field but not in a parking lot of shopping center

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02-06-2016 03:12 AM  31 months agoPost 20
aceisback

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I feel that it's going to take a major court case to determine just where hobbyist stand in this case.
Very true. I believe that section 336 is written in such a way that it will be up to the interpretation of the higher courts (if the issue ever gets there) before we know what can really happen. I also feel that any interpretation will be based on the severity of an offense caused by a pilot and that enforcement may be done on a case by case situation.

I don't see section 336 being a law that says modellers are untouchable which is what many seem to believe. I keep mentioning the word "IF" which I believe leaves 336 open for different interpretations and actions. The only thing I see 336 doing at this time is possibly making the FAA registration invalid, but still is not written in such a manner to protect a modeller who flys in a so-called reckless or dangerous manner. The FAA is not targeting responsible modellers, they are targeting rogue pilots, but they are not doing it in a way that seems more logical. Typical kneejerk reaction and we are caught up in it.

If the people who believe 336 makes any FAA regulation of models illegal, how in the HE!! are they supposed to punish those pilots who got us into this mess if they cannot make laws or regulations designed to punish offenders using models ?

336 is for responsible pilots, but how do we deal with irresponsible pilots ? Can't punish them because of 336, I doubt congress passed 336 with that intention in mind. If we can't handle having to register, I hate to see how we react when there are more restrictions placed upon us because we can't even accept a minor registration requirement.

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