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02-05-2016 12:14 AM  29 months agoPost 21
rcmiket

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Ya know they could mean this CBO.

http://www.dontflystupid.org/

I don't think the AMA is screwing us but I do think they along with us are nothing in the eyes of the government.

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02-05-2016 12:30 AM  29 months agoPost 22
HeliHov

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I'm a long time member of the AMA. I used to feel important to be a part of it. I always felt they have done a lot for us as an organization and that they had a lot of pull with things as far as things were handled. But now, I feel differently about things. I feel with the big increase in dues and the countless e-mails saying there meeting with congress is just a lot of hot air getting blown around. Let's face it, they have gotten run right over and haven't accomplished anything with the new bill concerning the FAA. It's almost like there's a new boss in town and the AMA is just an organization that's just lining there pockets off us and stands for nothing. I understand they do many things to promote our hobby and to educate people to get involved. But now I just feel different about them. It would be kind of like congress running over the NRA and making it almost impossible to own any firearm. Which is what there trying to do now.

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02-05-2016 04:37 AM  29 months agoPost 23
RM3

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A dozen AMA members, staffers, and Executive Council members descended upon Washington,
wow...talk a bout a Mob... 12 people...total...yeah AMA is a force to be reckoned with.
Were you there?
why would I go to DC...you cant fly your models there and its obvious the FAA looks upon the AMA as nothing more than a pimple on an a$$ cheek.. I hope the AMA at least used our dues to go out to a strip club afterwards, that would have been more productive than talking to politicians that dont care to actually listen to you

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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02-05-2016 04:50 AM  29 months agoPost 24
rcflyerheli

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Though, we all really need to ask ourselves, where would our hobby be without the AMA. They may not be perfect, but it's all we have, and I am pretty assured that it is the AMA that is being referenced in the AC.

Unless we get a coalition of every modeler and do a "million man march", the AMA is all that we have batting for us.

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02-05-2016 04:58 AM  29 months agoPost 25
RM3

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batting for us against the FAA?

thats like having my goldfish go and bat up against pitcher Clayton Kershaw of the Dodgers...

At this point we need Johnny Cochran and the rest of OJs dream team to save us from this BS

...maybe if we gave our dues to the Clintons instead of the AMA?....

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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02-05-2016 10:11 AM  29 months agoPost 26
EEngineer

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"I think they are holding hands"

And singing "Koom bay Ya".....LOL

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02-05-2016 10:16 AM  29 months agoPost 27
1helimech

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RM3, Sorry but "Johnny Cochran " is dead ie:Johnnie L Cochran, Jr. (October 2, 1937 – March 29, 2005)...so now what ?

I dream of a better world, A world where a chicken's crossing a road IS NOT questioned

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02-05-2016 10:18 AM  29 months agoPost 28
EEngineer

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Hopefully in the end the FAA will be reined in by the Legislature and we in the R/C community will retain all of our original rights.
At present, the FAA has been restricted.

Sec. 336 is the law of our land.

As RC hobbyists, we are all exempt from ANY and ALL BS from the FAA.

PERIOD!

Don't like it?....Write your Congressmen.....lol

At present, it doesn't matter what the AMA or FAA says.

Senator James Inhofe's addendum via Sec 336 was passed into Federal Law....and the FAA can't legally fine an RC hobbyist for one thin dime.

Hear that, AMA?

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02-05-2016 10:21 AM  29 months agoPost 29
EEngineer

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Johnny Cochran
He's dead...lol

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02-05-2016 10:26 AM  29 months agoPost 30
1helimech

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+1 EE !!

I dream of a better world, A world where a chicken's crossing a road IS NOT questioned

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02-05-2016 12:01 PM  29 months agoPost 31
rcmiket

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http://transportation.house.gov/airr-act/

Here's the link to the bill.
Dear members,

Rep. Bill Shuster, who chairs the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, introduced a new draft of the FAA reauthorization bill, titled the "Aviation Innovation, Reform, and Reauthorization (AIRR) Act." This bill is critical to preserving our voluntary, community-based approach to the model aviation community across the country.

While we are carefully reviewing the bill's language, it is important to note that the Committee recognized the community-based approach under the "Special Rule for Model Aircraft." The language in that section follows very similarly to Section 336 of the 2012 FAA reauthorization bill. We were also pleased to see that the new language recognizes the important role that model aircraft play in STEM education.

However, there are still some changes to the bill that could further strengthen and clarify the Special Rule for Model Aircraft. In the weeks ahead, we will be working closely with Chairman Shuster and the Committee on our suggested improvements.

We will keep you updated on this important bill and AMA's ongoing work to protect our hobby.

As always, thank you for your support of AMA.

Dave Mathewson
Executive Director
Mike

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02-05-2016 11:07 PM  29 months agoPost 32
aceisback

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Sec. 336 is the law of our land.
As RC hobbyists, we are all exempt from ANY and ALL BS from the FAA.
PERIOD!
Read the entire section 336!

336 ONLY applies to modellers who fly within the guidelines defined within 336. If you fly outside those guidelines, then 336 means nothing. There is an "IF" in the writing.

The people causing this are those flying outside the "IF" guidelines.

(b) STATUTORY CONSTRUCTION.—Nothing in this section shall
be construed to limit the authority of the Administrator to pursue
enforcement action against persons operating model aircraft who
endanger the safety of the national airspace system.

We technically cannot be fined for not registering, but a pilot can still held accountable if does something stupid.

In the end, who do you think congress will back? They will just modify the current law to adapt to the needs and changes taking place.

336 does NOT give us the right to fly however and whenever we want.

Registration is BS, but it is not a big deal right now, yet people are trying to make it a bigger deal than it is.

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02-05-2016 11:12 PM  29 months agoPost 33
revmix

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In the end, who do you think congress will back? They will just modify the current law to adapt to the needs and changes taking place.
Congress recognized Interim Final Rule for sUAS registration FA#

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02-06-2016 12:18 PM  29 months agoPost 34
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Until Sec. 336 is repealed.....RC "hobbyists" are exempt.

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02-06-2016 08:42 PM  29 months agoPost 35
newbheliusr

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For now.

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02-06-2016 10:20 PM  29 months agoPost 36
aceisback

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Until Sec. 336 is repealed.....RC "hobbyists" are exempt.
If you say so...Note I said "IF". Section 336 contains the word "IF":

"the Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration
may not promulgate any rule or regulation regarding a model
aircraft, or an aircraft being developed as a model aircraft, if— ", so any modeler who does not comply with any of the 5 requirements, then they are not covered by 336. And if the aircraft is not flown strictly LOS of person operating the aircraft, it is not a model aircraft.

The FAA can make a law to specifically fine any pilot flying within 5 miles of an airport without contacting the airport before flight, and 336 does not prevent them from doing that.

The "IF" is there for a reason, otherwise 336 could have simply been written to say:

"the Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration
may not promulgate any rule or regulation regarding a model
aircraft, or an aircraft being developed as a model aircraft"

and no more language would be needed, but it wasn't. Criteria has to met in order for 336 to apply.

Explain how ALL modellers are exempt if all modellers don't fly within the guidelines? the modellers causing the problems are not flying within the guidelines. Especially the long distance FPV flying which according to 336 makes the aircraft a non-model.

I can be a hobbyist, but if I break requirement #5 or fly strictly FPV, I am no longer exempt.

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