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01-26-2016 09:57 PM  3 years ago
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Leif

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What is an Airport
A key component of the legal practice is the art of "redefining" normal everyday words to mean completely different things. When you agreed to avoid flying within 5 miles of an "airport" without prior approval, I bet you didn't realize that you effectively agreed to avoid flying over 80% of the populated area of this country.

There are huge numbers of locations designated as heliports due to having been scouted as convenient landing locations for emergencies. This doesn't count all the hospitals, police stations, discontinued grass strip runways, or any lake that has ever been used by a float plane. These all seem to fall under the FAA's definition of an "airport".

Check out the B4UFLY app, which can be found at... https://www.faa.gov/uas/b4ufly/

Looks like the 400' height restriction isn't the only trick the FAA is trying to sneak in the back door.

This was mentioned in another post, but I thought it required more attention. While I am aware of the one airport in proximity to our club field, I was entirely unaware of a supposed private heliport named "Mike's" that the FAA considers to be an airport.

If they wanted to be useful, they could at least include a contact number in the app for each "airport" to help responsible modelers obtain said approval.

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01-26-2016 11:13 PM  3 years ago
TMoore

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Their app doesn't run on Android and I'm not beta testing their app.Part 107.
The only ZERO flight hour certificate in the world.
It's like getting a driver's license without the driver's test.
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01-27-2016 01:21 AM  3 years ago
revmix

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When you agreed to avoid flying
not so
within 5 miles of an "airport"
as per #336 (5)
without prior approval
notify as let them know about the r/c operation
ring; Hey there airport/control tower; hobbyist here [location] with my r/c model & have FAA sUAS registration,
is there any air activity near by? all good, OK thanks
If they wanted to be useful, they could at least include a contact number in the app for each "airport" to help responsible modelers
have the cursor over the shaded area around the airport and click the left mouse key the airport name and a phone number pops up.
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01-27-2016 04:56 PM  3 years ago
TMoore

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When you agreed to avoid flying
not so
within 5 miles of an "airport"
as per #336 (5)
without prior approval
notify as let them know about the r/c operation
ring; Hey there airport/control tower; hobbyist here [location] with my r/c model & have FAA sUAS registration,
is there any air activity near by? all good, OK thanks
If they wanted to be useful, they could at least include a contact number in the app for each "airport" to help responsible modelers
have the cursor over the shaded area around the airport and click the left mouse key the airport name and a phone number pops up.
No agreement is necessary only notification.
Part 107.
The only ZERO flight hour certificate in the world.
It's like getting a driver's license without the driver's test.
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01-27-2016 05:32 PM  3 years ago
revmix

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No agreement is necessary
can deny if safety reason tho'
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01-27-2016 05:36 PM  3 years ago
TMoore

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No agreement is necessary
can deny if safety reason tho'
Must be substantiated, valid and not forever, IOW not a Grimm fairy tale.
Part 107.
The only ZERO flight hour certificate in the world.
It's like getting a driver's license without the driver's test.
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01-30-2016 07:08 PM  3 years ago
Chuckie

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I updated the B4UFLY app this morning and noticed the message on the warning page. I am located within the DC SFRA but the message below was generated when I selected a location outside the SFRA but near a small airport.

"You are located within 5 miles of an airport and/ or in airspace that requires permission.

By Law, you must contact the airport operator and the air traffic control facility (if one is located at the airport) before flying."

It says "that requires permission", this would be consistent with the updated Advisory Circular.

In the second sentence is states "if one is located at the airport". I find this very interesting in that there are few grass fields, maybe Mikes brother, near my house. So could I interpret this text to mean that if both statements are true, that there is no airport operator or air traffic control facility located at Mike's field, then I can fly at my current location?

Or do you read the text in parentheses as only to apply to the air traffic control facility text?

Most likely the grass fields and small airports do not have an air traffic control facility, but to be sure I could look up the tower frequency in the VFR sectional charts. The sectional charts are located here:

https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/fli...l_products/vfr/

I see local heli ports on the charts but they don't have ATC towers.

I read the term 'airport operator' being someone in charge a airport that has facilities for conducting operations (pre-flight, base of operations, or some place to manage the facility), hangars or other facilities needed for the operation of the airport. How do I determine from resources on FAA's web site that a grass field actually has an airport operator?

So the question is not what is an airport but who is the airport operator!

The other interesting thing about the B4UFLY app is that with all the information provided, including allowing you to access the TFRs it does not provide you the model aircraft Advisory Circular. Without that the current TFRs do not restrict flying within the DC SFRA but outside the DC FRZ (outside the 15 mile but within the 30). And being the AC is just an advisory piece of information I don't see any restriction to flying within the SFRA, but outside the FRZ. If you read the 2010 TFR establishing the 15 and 30m zones, it does not restrict model aircraft flying outside the 15 miles zone. Only the AC mentions having permission but again that is just an advisory!
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02-03-2016 12:55 AM  3 years ago
GunnyJeeves

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I ran into this. (BTW this is my first post here so Hi!)

In my case I actually had tons of questions, and I figured the airport folks did too. Sooo... I brought doughnuts and some planes and helis and explained I frequently fly in my back yard, 2 miles away...

End result: my yard is now officially recognized as an RC field by my airport. The process is similar to an AMA flying field.

The FAA requires you notify any airport with a tower. (So you could call the number in the app.)

Above and beyond is being able to agree to fly under 400feet, not over people, and no BLOS (beyond line of sight) and leave your number or email... That's two way communication, so you then handled the notify requirement and can fly whenever after that.

I think they keep your address pinned and would advise any aircraft heading over you to be aware. If anything did happen and they needed to, you might get a Vm to not fly today because of xxx...

There is a form out there... I think it's called the "non AMA Airport Notification PDF". Similar to an AMA club doc, but more focused for non AMA field or your own personal property. (Will upload it from my computer. Can't from the ipad)

Anyway, I'm just happy to be enjoying my own personal recognized "flying field".

Enjoy!
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