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01-24-2016 01:31 AM  33 months agoPost 1
Miles500

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I have been flying steadily for 2 months. I also use the Phoenix simulator a lot. I have a 130x, 180cfx, mCPX BL, and aTt-rex 500L Dominator. I can pirouette, forward and reverse, side hover, and kinda nose in hover. 2 days ago I looped my 130x and did an elevator flip(more than once). Granted it was kinda sloppy, but why is it I can do that, but simple figure 8 circuits give me trouble..... Also I am wwaaaaayyyyy more intimidated to do it on my 500

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01-24-2016 02:55 AM  33 months agoPost 2
Heli Fanatix

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Figure 8's require being able to:
- comfortable with tail, nose and both side orientation
- fly circles in CW and CCW
- being able to fly on both your left and right shoulder

To be in even more control, you have to be able to reverse the directions as well.

Once you are proficient at flying, the Trex 500 will not be as intimidating when you have gain control. The 500 is not micro and it is good you feel the way you do, helps keep you in check that you are not ready with big heli's

What you have learn so far are basic maneuvers. Combined with a few more maneuvers, you can progress to:

forward flight > momentum turn > circles > circuits

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01-24-2016 03:49 AM  33 months agoPost 3
Gearhead

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you need to "learn the feel" of the turn
my opinion is you are pushing things (but most people do anyways), stop the flipping and looping for now even the nose-in and work on the figure 8's and circuits,

as for the figure 8's and circuits, you said you can hover side-in, so try this a few times>> try flying straight away from you but keep your heli tail-in, don't fly too slow and don't fly fast, just keep the momentum up a bit, give left Rudder input to start your left turn, and when your heli starts it's left turn you too turn your body slowly left in-sink with your heli, this is to keep your heli tail-in to your "Sticks" (this will help you "learn the feel" of the turn), at the point your heli comes out of the turn the heli will be off-to your side BUT still tail-in to your Sticks (so stop turning your body as your heli comes out of it's turn), so at this point keep the rudder stick centered and the cyclic stick forward a bit to keep your heli flying as it comes straight again, after your heli flies straight a bit try the same thing turning right,,, just try this 2, 3 times in a flight, more if you wish

PS, please read this a few times to get it correctly in your mind, that is how I learned Forward Flight, I did that (literally) for 6 turns from learning hovering and I was flying 8's, it helps you to "learn the feel" of the turns (LOL keep in mind I had a lot of sim time, but it was a DOS sim LOL)

good luck

Jim
Buzz Buzz Buzz

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01-25-2016 02:53 PM  33 months agoPost 4
Pistol Pete

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Where to start....?
http://www.ircha.org/pilot-proficiency-program

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02-01-2016 03:07 PM  33 months agoPost 5
Aaron29

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This right here:
kinda nose in hover
is your problem.

Think about it. When you do a figure 8 there is a good portion of the time that the heli is nose in. If you aren't comfortable with nose in orientation, it certainly isn't going to get any better when the helicopter is also moving.

You have to work on ALL orientations of hover to master the other regimes of flight. Tail in. Quartering tail in from both sides. Side in (this is VERY hard) from both sides, then quartering nose in from both sides (again very hard) then nose in. Once all these are mastered, you will be a pro at sport flying.

For 3D, if you can master the same thing inverted, you will have the heli mastered. There will NEVER be an orientation the heli can get into that you won't know.

I recommend viewing Curtis Youngblood's 3D lesson. It talks about all these orientations, but he also flies a simple hovering T maneuver that ensures you have total control.

Slow piros over a spot also help master orientations.

The good news is the sim is fine for teaching much of this.

So, if I could give advice, it'd be to learn in order. Many people want to jump steps, but it always comes back to them in the end. Our weaknesses always show up sooner or later. As an example, I'm currently having to go back and work on rolling circuits using LEFT rolls, because I'd learned them all with right and repeated it that way for years. My right rollers are consistent compared to my left. A tiny thing such as that eventually limits your flying.

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02-01-2016 03:11 PM  33 months agoPost 6
Miles500

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Where to start....?
http://www.ircha.org/pilot-proficiency-program
~~Enjoying the hobby one flight at a time~~

awesome information man thanks. Just for an update I finally got enough balls to flip the 500 yesterday . I ran 4 or 5 packs throught it yesterday, but the pilot proficiency program is way good info.

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02-01-2016 03:46 PM  33 months agoPost 7
ICUR1-2

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work on all nose in positions then reverse flight then do inverted nose in then inverted reverse flight.
nose in really really helps orientation

spending time, paying attention

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02-01-2016 05:01 PM  33 months agoPost 8
flycatch

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If you can fly a fixed wing and have mastered making coordinated turns both left and right than you can fly a rotary wing model. Rudder management is the key to success in flying helicopters and without it your going to crash.

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02-01-2016 11:01 PM  33 months agoPost 9
Heli Fanatix

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Very few concept from fix wing to helicopter, so don't confuse by assuming it will be an easy transition

- you have use the rudder heavily on helicopter
- once you progress, you will start mixing rudder, aileron and elevator together
- unless you are running GOV, you might have to mix in a V-Curve for your throttle

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02-02-2016 12:06 AM  33 months agoPost 10
Pistol Pete

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- you have use the rudder heavily on helicopter
Then there is RATE mode...but many cant these days.

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02-02-2016 12:25 AM  33 months agoPost 11
flycatch

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helifanatix, you made a blanket statement based upon what. The hardest think to do while learning is hover. It all starts in a hover and ends in a hover. I never implied that flying these things is easy but if you have fixed wing experience transitioning to forward flight is a lot easier.

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02-02-2016 07:20 AM  33 months agoPost 12
Heli Fanatix

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Flycatch,
If you had said what you said in your second post, I would of agreed with you.

I have helped a lot of people successfully fly RC Heli that have struggled for the longest time. The hardest ones to mentor were the ones that mastered fixed wing. Even real aircraft pilots struggle thinking it would be a quick adaptation since they felt they learned a lot of materials already. Even real helicopter pilots had a rude awakening.

I'm very technical, when broken down ... It's easier to make a fair comparison and see where the similarities stop. I'm just trying to give accurate information. I was referring to your advice regarding rudder control. So when a guy that has been flying fix wing try to use the same technique to fly his heli ... It's gonna be a puckering experience. I agree everything starts and stops with a hover. Not sure if collective stops, funnels, flying sideways and backwards exist in fixed wing but flying styles like figure 8's, circuits, rolls and loops can be inter laced.

Reason why I wanted mention this is b/c I was too given this advice when I was learning to fly RC Heli, created a lot road blocks and frustration. Took a while to figure out and make those crucial "ah ha" break through moments.

I'm just sharing my insights to create a positive learning enviornment and not step on any toe or to offend anyone ... I apologize if I did.

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02-02-2016 09:19 PM  33 months agoPost 13
Aaron29

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FWIW to add to this debate

When I started flying RC helis, I was an experienced airplane pilot, a fullsize CFI with thousands of hours, and could fly sport RC airplanes pretty well, but could not for the life of me fly an RC heli. None of my skills transferred over.

In fact, many of my airplane habits were a detriment.

It's just totally different and I don't think there's very much transfer between the airplane and heli. The airplane you can get away with more or less forgetting the rudder after a bank is established. The tail will track. A HH heli doesn't do this. You MUST steer the tail of the heli around. With a heli, translational lift makes the left stick VERY important, which most airplane dudes aren't very learned in. I know many airplane dudes that take off and never touch the left stick until they land. Try that in a heli. And transitioning back from forward flight into a hover as an airplane guy? Without a clue how collective and translational lift work? Forget it. Totally different skillset and for me, my airplane habits really held me back.

I think I KIND OF understand what you all are saying, but aside from the basic understanding of radios and what stick controls what, the flying itself is not helped by an airplane background.

My 2cents

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02-03-2016 12:00 AM  33 months agoPost 14
Heli Fanatix

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Aaron29,

Very nicely summarized ...

Sometimes I feel it's "like pulling teeth" trying to persuade someone that is so insistent their real aircraft / RC airplane background will give them a head start.

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02-03-2016 12:09 AM  33 months agoPost 15
flycatch

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helifanatix, I started into RC learning to fly an RES glider pulled aloft by a histart. When I got into powered flight I already had rudder experience. Than when I got into helicopters I had to relearn how to use rudder all over again. Either my inputs were not enough or too much. I just got back into helicopters after a ten year absence and I find myself learning all over again transitioning from forward flight back into a hover. Nothing comes easy for me but the rewards justify the means.

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02-03-2016 06:38 AM  33 months agoPost 16
Heli Fanatix

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Flycatch,

IC .. gotcha. I started in 89' gazing at Tower Hobbies & Hobby Shack Catalogs every night. I'm sure we walked away for some time. but it gets in our blood and somehow we end up back in this great hobby of ours.

I agree.. we have all done a thousand other things, but none brings us more gratification & reward than this hobby.

I'm always willing to help a fellow heli pilot .. sharing this passion of ours. I'm a PM away if they need help

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02-03-2016 11:01 AM  33 months agoPost 17
Miles500

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I agree.. we have all done a thousand other things, but none brings us more gratification & reward than this hobby

I could not agree more

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02-03-2016 06:43 PM  33 months agoPost 18
Heli_Splatter

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google Radds School of Rotary flight.

Skip the early steps and be handicapped forever. Learn your orientations first. You should be able to fly your helicopter in any orientation... upright, inverted, forward, backwards. Don't make it a grind, but practice orientation exercises every time you fly RL or Sim.

It takes a lot of work to develop and more work to stay current. Just buzzing around the sky is not helping anyone progress. You need to work on what is difficult for you.

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02-04-2016 05:53 PM  32 months agoPost 19
newbheliusr

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I dunno if you needs RADDS. But learning your orientations is a must. Learn those or spend a lot of money.

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02-09-2016 04:36 PM  32 months agoPost 20
Miles500

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This is why you need to practice orientations......and why you should not try to show off LoL

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