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01-31-2016 04:10 AM  3 years ago
TMoore

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Honestly getting information out of AMA has been like pulling teeth. I've had to call and email to find out what I've found out so far. It's my feeling that AMA is trying to court decent relations with FAA and not outright antagonize them in in the process like a lawsuit might be perceived.

I'm not sure I agree with that but I don't run AMA.
Part 107.
The only ZERO flight hour certificate in the world.
It's like getting a driver's license without the driver's test.
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02-06-2016 01:51 AM  3 years ago
Eury

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Watch at YouTube

Here is the AMA's stance on it. They sent this out to club officers today. Clubs aren't supposed to ask about FAA registration or police it in any way.
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02-06-2016 02:07 AM  3 years ago
Jerry K

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It's my feeling that AMA is trying to court decent relations with FAA and not outright antagonize them in in the process like a lawsuit might be perceived.
I have to say the AMA (IMO) Pi$$ed the FAA off when they sent the email out to hold off in registering in December and may have been some of the reason for the DC debacle.
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02-06-2016 02:12 AM  3 years ago
Jerry K

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Here is the AMA's stance on it. They sent this out to club officers today. Clubs aren't supposed to ask about FAA registration or police it in any way.
There is a quote to the effect "power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely". Club officers tend to be power hungry in some clubs and when given the chance the above quote seems to fit very well
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02-06-2016 02:20 AM  3 years ago
Eury

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I can't help but laugh at the thought that I have power as a club officer. No one who is an officer at my club wants to be one, it's impossible to get people to run or do anything administrative in the club. I was nominated, and the only guy who said I'd do it if there was no one else who would. I think it's a joke they pulled on me after hearing me tell stories about the club I was president of and how I hated it and would never want it again.Nick Crego

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02-06-2016 02:27 AM  3 years ago
Jerry K

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Nick, I appreciate your thoughts and as the Pres. of our club I try to limit the amount of rules. I am proud of the fact we limit the rules to the amount you can count on one hand. But then there are those clubs that take after the guberment and have never seen a rule/law they dont like. It looks like up in this thread there are a few examples.
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02-06-2016 02:39 AM  3 years ago
TMoore

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Aaron29 should be relieved now that this video is out.Part 107.
The only ZERO flight hour certificate in the world.
It's like getting a driver's license without the driver's test.
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02-06-2016 02:52 AM  3 years ago
Aaron29

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Aaron29 should be relieved now that this video is out.
Glad to see this. But I can't go so far as to say I'm relieved.

I just wish this stuff was more forthcoming. We've been bantering about the topic of clubs demanding FAA registration since at least the 19th of January by my records. And just now this comes out. I feel like I'm always one good idea ahead of AMA these days. Seems a solution comes, but there's so much anxiety and uncertainty before it does. Like communication is very laggy.

I want badly to have faith again. I just don't know. Maybe it's just me once bitten. But I feel like a passenger on a 3am bus who wants to relax but just can't surrender because the driver doesn't appear alert.

Glad to see this. But I'm still hyper vigilant.
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02-06-2016 03:43 PM  3 years ago
HeimD

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Clubs aren't supposed to ask about FAA registration or police it in any way.
Yeah, let's see if the AMA changes its tune after Feb 19 when this all actually goes into effect and becomes enforceable.
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02-06-2016 05:06 PM  3 years ago
Eury

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When the AMA specifically says that something is policy, why would you think it would change in 13 days?Nick Crego

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02-06-2016 08:11 PM  3 years ago
HeimD

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When the AMA specifically says that something is policy, why would you think it would change in 13 days?
Exactly. POLICY, not law. It can easily change at any time according to their whims. It was also AMA "policy" to initially not register and they went back on that pretty damned fast, too. Why? For the same reason I already stated. It's going into effect for real soon and there's nothing they can do about it. I'll be more than willing to bet the FAA will demand the AMA have ALL members registered and then having clubs enforce it or not won't even matter. They're already folding like house of cards with trying to get FAA registration automatic with new memberships and renewals anyway. They flat out stated it in their write-up after the recent EXPO.
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02-18-2016 03:14 PM  3 years ago
Pistol Pete

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Missed the meeting but it wont be asked for.

"We are adults" or words to that effect were used.

~~Enjoying the hobby one flight at a time~~
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02-18-2016 04:16 PM  3 years ago
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I am new to this thread, but having been following it for sometime now. Seems like things are changing daily with this stuff. I have registered as our club has required it. Not really that big of a deal yet, but I could see how this can snow ball into so much more. Like everything else in life, we all must adapt and get past certain things we don't like.

Can anyone tell me what is now required to be on each aircraft?

thanks,

Gary
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02-18-2016 04:47 PM  3 years ago
lfalsetto

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My biggest concern is the clubs. If the AMA says they are recommending registration and anything happens at a sanctioned field the insurance may not be valid because there was one little thing that was not done. I know state properties are requiring registration.
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02-18-2016 05:07 PM  3 years ago
Dr.Ben

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Gary,

You put your FAA registration number on each model >250g in an area that does not require tools to access to view the number.

Ben Minor
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02-18-2016 05:13 PM  3 years ago
lfalsetto

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I just took my small label maker, put my number in it and ran off many copies stuck them inside each airplane and heli. Took all of 5 Minutes, make the labels on your computer put a sheet in your field box and when you go out to fly put one on the inside.
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02-18-2016 05:57 PM  3 years ago
chicagoslick

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Thanks Ben and ifalsetto for quick response...

By the way Ben I am just now assembling the TTE820. Been nice, just as my e720 was.

thanks again,

Gary
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02-18-2016 06:06 PM  3 years ago
BarracudaHockey

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@Lfalsetto

FAA registration, while encouraged, is not a requirement by the insurance company and until it becomes so, would not be used as a basis to deny coverage.
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02-18-2016 06:08 PM  3 years ago
BarracudaHockey

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@ Eury

Exactly! It gives meaning to the term "run from office"!

I never miss the October and November meeting because I'm afraid I'll get elected president while I'm gone!
Andy
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02-19-2016 12:36 PM  3 years ago
Heli_Splatter

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The AMA document on club officer duties has a paragraph written about the President, Vice-President, Treasure, Secretary, Membership Secretary.

And then there three pages about what the Safety Officer CANNOT DO. In fact as the safety officer at our club, in four years, I cannot find anything that I am allowed to do!

It is pretty darn clear what this says.
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