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01-21-2016 09:13 PM  33 months agoPost 81
Simmer

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I just downloaded the FAA B4Ufly app. You can get it from the FAA site and a link from there takes you to google play store. Our club field- no fly zone, where I work, no fly zone, where I live, no fly zone.

So many heli pads, even reference to a pond within 5 miles of my house that "could" be used to land a full scale plane.

smh I dont know where we can fly.

https://www.faa.gov/uas/b4ufly/

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01-21-2016 09:16 PM  33 months agoPost 82
Aaron29

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But are you really totally restricted or just limited to 400'?

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01-21-2016 09:34 PM  33 months agoPost 83
Simmer

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it shows rings around these spots. (like the high school near me has a heli pad, not that its used.) App reads no fly zone at our flying field.

I will double check

OK it reads action required...I must contact the control tower before I fly (at my current work address)

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01-21-2016 09:37 PM  33 months agoPost 84
Todd74

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I was thinking about downloading that app, but I was afraid I would see just what you are describing - the app draws a 5 mile radius around every single little airport/grass strip (a pond...really???) and that wipes out 90% of the entire surface area of the damn country...

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01-21-2016 09:40 PM  33 months agoPost 85
Simmer

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Yes Todd74 a local pond that is rarely or never used to my knowledge.
I live near a large river, kinda narrow on my end. 547 feet wide by 4000 feet long (in a straight section)

and your right there are 4 icons,
Flight prohibited, use caution, Warning action required, and data unavailable.

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01-22-2016 03:20 AM  33 months agoPost 86
Aaron29

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Action required - call the tower. Might not be too bad. I bet if you comply with the action you will find a great deal of latitude. They'll likely just be happy you are responsible enough to call. They will get your ID, exact location you will fly in, and probably have a few restrictions to follow. They will likely accommodate as able.

I doubt anyone will be told don't fly without good reason.

If it's a very busy control tower, like LAX, that says no to your flight, then probably shouldn't fly there anyway.

Most non major hub tower jobs are pretty boring except for rush hours. They'd be the first to accommodate during slower periods.

At the REALLY slow fields they might even approve a flyover.

Again I think people will be very pleased with the results of working within the system instead of bucking it.

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01-22-2016 03:54 AM  33 months agoPost 87
Simmer

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The helipad is on the property where i work. .2 miles. Our building used to be owned by digital equipment (DEC) its not been used for 20 years. The other two helipads one 3 miles away at a regency hotel and last 3.7 miles at another hotel. There is no tower or active airport within 5 mikes of me. So the app reads call tower to notify if one is available. So.....ambiguous I feel. Outdated for sure. Same thing for our club field. Two helipads DEC and Compac plus a defunct small airport that is now a golf course. Outdated...and no tower to call. Interesting our club field appears ok (no warnings) but it appears to open a window that is requesting my faa registration number. I wonder what happens if i were to put my ama number in there? Would it check against a list? Report and record my number and date/time?

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01-22-2016 04:00 AM  33 months agoPost 88
jbjones

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Action required - call the tower. Might not be too bad.
You're likely right.

Before all of this FAA nonsense took over, I talked to the local Regional Airport Director. Cool guy. My hay field that I fly in is sort-of within the 5 mile space of the airport. Depending on where you measure it.

Come to find out, he knew exactly where I fly and the measurement is taken from mid-field. Only the extreme end of my field (which is not in my normal flight circuit) is in the zone. He told me to "have fun" (and even provided it via email at my request). He did note that if I were to venture any farther South, to call the Tower and tell them of my operation. He did ask about the 400' deal, and really didn't seem to care that much. I got the feeling that it was more of a formality than "permission".

As of this writing, I'm not a "registered" Model Aircraft pilot. I do not know how that "rule" will change his outlook of my operation. I have the feeling that he has better things to do.

-JB

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01-22-2016 04:00 AM  33 months agoPost 89
Aaron29

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Yup. So make the call to the closest tower and they very well may say "What does it say online? No flying? I wonder why it says that. There's nothing out there. Yeah dude, you can fly out there."

From your perspective, you'd just want to record the name of the ATC person who OK'ed it, and then go have fun.

I really think expecting the worst response before even trying to get one is counterproductive.

You will either:

A. Find out that there is no restriction or very little to flying there.

or

B. Find out that there is a very good reason that no one knew about.

Either way, you'll either have a good place to fly or legitimize the no fly zone to your satisfaction.

I think the DC thing has everyone messed up. Bear in mind that's political, more than anything else. I doubt you'll see that draconian stuff in Podunk, AR.

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01-22-2016 04:24 AM  33 months agoPost 90
TMoore

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I'm in the same boat as JB, just barely in the 5 mile radius. I went and talked to the local airport operator and they really don't care. I'm good too.

Delayed Response Operator Not Engaged
AMA SECTION 336 = Good
Drones = EVIL

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01-22-2016 04:28 AM  33 months agoPost 91
Simmer

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No airport to call. A pond that someone at sometime has landed on. Never have I seen one on it, and a float plane on the river 4.7 miles or so. No tower. I could try to call the guy on the river as I think he has or has a small shop there.

This is what I see (from my home addy)

Believe the float plane guy on the river does flights occasionally in the summer. Its pretty rare. Wonder if he has any clue. As for the pond near me, yea no idea how I would ever reach that guy. Private pond very small and narrow. As mentioned never have I seen a plane come out of there but I suppose I could canvas the neighborhood there. Its private with no boat ramp. Have only been on it twice in 18 years (friends boat)

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01-22-2016 04:37 AM  33 months agoPost 92
TMoore

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Delayed Response Operator Not Engaged
AMA SECTION 336 = Good
Drones = EVIL

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01-22-2016 05:04 AM  33 months agoPost 93
Simmer

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Thank you Tmoore. Pretty clear on that end now. So even though I see numerous helipads around our club field, the airport that was nearby was replaced with a golf course 17 years ago. No airport to contact I think? means no one needed to contact. The app however does include the popup to add your FAA registration number.

Our club president is a full scale pilot and flys his FS often. I will present him with this information at the next board of directors meeting.

https://www.faa.gov/uas/b4ufly/

There is good information on the B4UFLY FAA site. Your not required to submit your flight envelope information (there are three questions, how high will you fly, 100, 400 0r more than 400 feet, how far will you fly 100 , 400 or more than 400 yards, and how long will you be flying, under 1 hour, 2 hours or more than 4 hours (something close to this from memory) the "pin its asking for I cannot tell what is under since my keyboard slides up before I can read it. It gives the address range (in my case 3-389 Pinnacle street) and some fields below that get covered, but apparently this information is not required. You can save your locations (with a pin?) still don't see the submit button under the keyboard so don't really know whats under it. I sent comments to the FAA site via their form to let them know of the long gone airport and the two helipads that were used when there were companies there. They say they will try to confirm and update the airport list in the future to narrow it down some and to submit any and all information so they can "check out" to see if the airports still exist.

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01-22-2016 06:09 AM  33 months agoPost 94
Simmer

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The statutory parameters of a model aircraft operation are outlined in Section 336 of Public Law 112-95 (the FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012) (PDF). Individuals who fly within the scope of these parameters do not require permission to operate their UAS; any flight outside these parameters (including any non-hobby, non-recreational operation) requires FAA authorization.

From the FAA site. I went through this and it does not indicate to me that flying visual line of sight, in a typical manner at a flying field is not subject to restrictions or for that matter registration? Why would they put this on the main page if they did not endorse it?

https://www.faa.gov/uas/model_aircraft/

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01-22-2016 11:51 AM  33 months agoPost 95
TheMainShaft

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Southlake, TX - USA

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I believe this is a obvious attempt by the FAA to find out "Where" we are flying.
The maps provided are useless. They basically tell you that unless you live 50 miles or more, from any major city you can't fly. They consider any place that an aircraft has ever landed to be an airport. The program reports to them where you are whenever you query a location. I don't believe this is an attempt by the FAA to be helpful but rather to collect intelligence.

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01-31-2016 01:17 AM  33 months agoPost 96
Pistol Pete

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Seffner, FL

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An exerpt from our contract...
WHEREAS, the successful operation of a RC model aircraft flying field in accordance with the regulations of the Federal Aviation Authority (FAA) and the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) which govern the public airspace and the radio frequencies utilized by model aircraft flyers requires that such a facility be under the supervision of a competent authority which is familiar with the requirements for proper utilization of these radio frequencies and the use of public airspace by RC model aircraft; and

WHEREAS, the Academy of Model Aeronautics (AMA) is the chartering organization for more than 2,500 model aircraft clubs across the United States and provides its charter clubs and members with liability and other insurance, flight training, pilot certification and other professional assistance; and

WHEREAS, TRAC is the charter club of the AMA and is well qualified to provide the supervisory services needed for the successful operation of the site as an RC model aircraft field.

********

So based on the first paragraph, the club is demanding that we register with the FAA despite there is no legal law in place nor is the AMA requesting it from the clubs.

Second paragraph...pilot certification?

The contract was written before the saga started.

~~Enjoying the hobby one flight at a time~~

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01-31-2016 01:33 AM  33 months agoPost 97
TMoore

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Tony Stillman at AMA HQ says that clubs are not supposed to ask and are not required to ask for you to be registered. That is between you and the FAA.

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AMA SECTION 336 = Good
Drones = EVIL

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01-31-2016 03:17 AM  33 months agoPost 98
Aaron29

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Tony Stillman at AMA HQ says that clubs are not supposed to ask and are not required to ask for you to be registered. That is between you and the FAA.
And yet there are still threads popping up where people are asked to do just that by their local club leadership. So, lotta good that policy is doing, eh?

AMA, if you have a position on this, you need to stop beating around the bush, and communicate to club leadership how they should be handling this, or your clubs WILL take it upon themselves, as many are witnessing. Without communication, clubs will make their own position at the local level, thus nullifying whatever policy you have.

So have a position, and FFS, communicate it.

It's called leadership. Yes, there are consequences for leading boldly, but I think we're entitled to it as paying members. Take a position, right or wrong, I don't care, but this handling is unsatisfactory.

I'm not sure how much more disappoint I can take.

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01-31-2016 03:40 AM  33 months agoPost 99
TMoore

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And yet there are still threads popping up where people are asked to do just that by their local club leadership. So, lotta good that policy is doing, eh?
AMA, if you have a position on this, you need to stop beating around the bush, and communicate to club leadership how they should be handling this, or your clubs WILL take it upon themselves, as many are witnessing. Without communication, clubs will make their own position at the local level, thus nullifying whatever policy you have.
So have a position, and FFS, communicate it.
It's called leadership. Yes, there are consequences for leading boldly, but I think we're entitled to it as paying members. Take a position, right or wrong, I don't care, but this handling is unsatisfactory.
I'm not sure how much more disappoint I can take.
AMA may be sending this to club leadership so I wouldn't necessarily expect the general membership to get it. If you think about it; it's really up to the clubs as to how they want to handle it. AMA just provides guidance.

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AMA SECTION 336 = Good
Drones = EVIL

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01-31-2016 03:48 AM  33 months agoPost 100
jbjones

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AMA may be sending this to club leadership so I wouldn't necessarily expect the general membership to get it. If you think about it; it's really up to the clubs as to how they want to handle it. AMA just provides guidance.
What about those of us that don't belong to clubs? They've got to disseminate this in MA or email, something. I would hope anyway!

I would think that guidance = leadership.

-JB

J. B. Jones

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