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01-19-2016 10:25 PM  35 months agoPost 61
dyuen888

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AMA Members required to register with FAA
Just out...

AMA members are now required by regulation to register their aircraft with the FAA to avoid federal enforcement and potential penalties. All Radio Control modelers must register aircraft weighing greater than 0.55 pounds online no later than February 19, 2016. The registration fee is $5. However, FAA is offering free registration when registering on or before midnight EST on January 21.

Visit modelaircraft.org/gov to learn more.

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01-19-2016 10:37 PM  35 months agoPost 62
Heli_Splatter

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Register the Pilot NOT the Aircraft
I know that it is confusing... you do NOT register your aircraft. You register yourself. There is no list of planes...

Name/Address/city/state/zip/e-mail
Then you agree to the flying rules
pay
you are then done.
You will then print your registration card and put the registration number in each of your aircraft.

You do not have to display the number outside the aircraft, but it has to be available by opening a battery hatch or some quick method of confirmation.

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01-19-2016 10:44 PM  35 months agoPost 63
HeimD

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Or, if you're an AMA member, just keep using your AMA number on/in your models which should already be there anyway per the AMA rules. No need to put the FAA number on the models.

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01-19-2016 10:47 PM  35 months agoPost 64
Heli_Splatter

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WRONG

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01-19-2016 11:05 PM  35 months agoPost 65
Eury

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You are both wrong. AMA has issued guidance that AMA and the FAA have reached an agreement that the AMA number can be used instead of the FAA number, but it hasn't been finalized yet. Read the AMA site on this issue and you will see that they have said we should just use the AMA number.

Nick Crego

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01-19-2016 11:47 PM  35 months agoPost 66
Heli_Splatter

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Until I see it in writing on the FAA web page, I don't believe anything that the AMA has to say on this issue, nor should I.

Might, could, should, will, ought to, probably will.... they don't mean anything when LEO has me by the nap of the neck.

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01-20-2016 02:58 AM  35 months agoPost 67
dyuen888rrElite Veteran - Brooklyn, NY - USA - My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Copy of email going out to AMA members

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01-20-2016 04:17 AM  35 months agoPost 68
HeimD

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WRONG
NOPE

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01-20-2016 07:12 AM  35 months agoPost 69
TMoore

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What's the timeline on all of this? Does this sound right?

FAA announces Registration 12-14-15
AMA reacts on 12-15-15
AMA announces Registration moratorium 1-8-16
AMA Expo joint meeting takes place on 1-9-16
FAA offers nothing at the Expo with AMA in attendance 1-9-16
AMA suggests Registration while working with FAA to streamline certain issues 1-11-16
AMA/FAA Advocacy meeting on 1-15 to 1-16-16
AMA sends out email guidance to register without delay to avoid fines on 1-19-16

The narrative changed quickly and I'm thinking that in all this I doubt the AMA has had much of a chance to get any guidance out to clubs and club leadership especially in the midst of trying to get some sort of flying solution for all of the clubs shut down in the DC area.

Feel free to edit and repost the timeline so we can get a clearer picture of all the events. We should have done this to start with.

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AMA SECTION 336 = Good
Drones = EVIL

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01-20-2016 08:34 AM  35 months agoPost 70
Aaron29

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Putting a communications timeline down that will be accurate is going to be extremely difficult. Do you mean emails, statements on the .org?, messages in the forums?

I'll give the discrepancies I have based on my earliest awareness of a few events your list.

If by "AMA reacts on 12-15-15" you mean they expressed disappointment, sure. But I think calling that "reacts" is being generous. The messages started flowing in on the 17th, from Jim Tiller to start with, in which we got guidance to hold off on registering, comment to the FAA, contact congress, etc.

On the flip side, to their credit, the moratorium request was well before 8 Jan. I recall comms around here that AMA didn't want us to register as early as that initial reaction on Dec 17th. Well before 8 Jan. Is 8 Jan when it made it to the .org website?

It's hard to know because those of us who were in the forums got most our info from the forums, initially. Then some were getting AMA emails while others weren't.

Anyway, you can see how difficult it's going to be to define dates. Which is why I gave my earliest knowledge of certain events.

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01-20-2016 03:00 PM  35 months agoPost 71
elmobad

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 they don't mean anything when LEO has me by the nap of the neck
Don't complain to hard, when you first begged to get in Leo's mouth, then payed for the opportunity. But then again that's what a grateful little sheepy does.

GOT FBL?

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01-20-2016 04:11 PM  35 months agoPost 72
Heli_Splatter

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Trolling much lately? I begged to get in LEOs mouth, hardly. I recognized from the moment this all went down who had the REAL power and control. Hasn't changed, has it? I have never said that I like it. Even if there had not been a single threatening occurrence, the increased drone capability and the numbers of drones being sold would have required a change in the FAA system. Blame it on Amazon. Many competing parties to blame. Most of all blame it on helicopter tail gyros.

This is just so easy...REGISTER fighting the quicksand only draws you down more quickly.
Don't complain to hard, when you first begged to get in Leo's mouth, then payed for the opportunity. But then again that's what a grateful little sheepy does.

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01-20-2016 06:08 PM  35 months agoPost 73
elmobad

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Haha I am troll haha that's calling the kettle black.
This is just so easy...REGISTER fighting the quicksand only draws you down more quickly.
Yes it's so easy, so very easy. Just keeping saying YES....YES.....YES...
Yes, take it all

There is only "quicksand" because you keep saying Yes, because it's so easy....

I will always say NO to this governments intrusion into my life and my hobbies.

TROLL OUT

GOT FBL?

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01-21-2016 12:39 AM  35 months agoPost 74
1helimech

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+1 for elmobad...heli-splatter = troll as is revmix ie: see there member profile

I dream of a better world, A world where a chicken's crossing a road IS NOT questioned

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01-21-2016 01:51 AM  35 months agoPost 75
Jerry K

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It's no wonder there is so much confusion BOTH the AMA and FAA have not figured out we are NOT supposed to register the AIRCRAFT!!! We will be registering the AIRCRAFT PILOT. The same wording is continuously repeated by both parties.

I keep getting emails asking how they are supposed to register ALL their aircraft.

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01-21-2016 02:08 PM  35 months agoPost 76
Heli_Splatter

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Yeah... I can sure see the confusion... The FAA registration page, even the email from AMA shown above has it wrong...

Pilot is registered. That is all. No matter how many aircraft you own.

The best thing is that you do not have to declare everything to your wife (or her attorney).

It would help if the web page designers updated things. FAA and AMA.

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01-21-2016 03:12 PM  35 months agoPost 77
TMoore

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Pilot is registered.

That's the part that is outside of FAA's purview. Their mandate and law says they can register aircraft not pilots per se.

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AMA SECTION 336 = Good
Drones = EVIL

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01-21-2016 03:56 PM  35 months agoPost 78
1helimech

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My club just put out to register our aircraft this thing is out o control...people need to read and understand the wording for sure...it's the pilot that is registering NOT their model aircraft ...
This is how the FAA is getting around Sec. 336......

I dream of a better world, A world where a chicken's crossing a road IS NOT questioned

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01-21-2016 08:25 PM  35 months agoPost 79
artimus

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I you let someone fly your aircraft do you have to transfer their number to your air craft....how this work . Did you see what you have to do when selling your aircraft.....you must transfer owership. I am sure there will be fees for that.....

Fly Hard......Team Viagra

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01-21-2016 08:29 PM  35 months agoPost 80
Aaron29

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Did you see what you have to do when selling your aircraft.....you must transfer owership.
No. You just change the number out and fly. Unless you are operating a 55 lb or a commercial drone that requires aircraft registration.

We at the under 55 lbs hobby level register a pilot. That is all.

Now how do I fly a buddy's model? Yeah that is a good question. Technically you should put your number in it. But then again, we never thought twice about this with AMA info in the bird. You just flew it. The only way it'd be an issue would be if you crashed it into something/someone.

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