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01-11-2016 12:44 AM  4 years ago
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drdot

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Urgent...please spread the word!!
Fwiw...
Just left the AMA expo...
As I feared, the FAA rep was little to no help, simply spouting "privilege", "regulation" "guideline" and combnations thereof during the hour and twenty minute Q&A...
He seemed unsure and poorly prepared, and offered absolutely nothing which could be construed as good news for the hobby. When asked about the SFRA issue in DC, his body language was "so what"?
It was painfully apparent that despite the efforts of the AMA, the FAA does not know or care about the differences between "Drones"
and model aircraft.
I did speak to Mr. Hanson and Mr. Brown, delivering the list of posts from my prior thread.
They seemed as though they are still willing to fight on, but left no doubt in my mind that it is now up to us as a group to begin a serious barrage of communication to our Senators and representatives if we wish to save this hobby as we know it.
The official line now seems to be that we should register, but the 400' altitude cap is a deal breaker. While helis are not as affected, the IMAC and soaring pilots cannot comply. There was much made about this being a guideline or a regulation depending on where we were in the conversation, but like so much of this overeach we debated the meaning of "is"...
I still have not decided if I will comply, but absolutely nothing was said to indicate any light at the end of the tunnel....
Please talk to as many pilots and friends as possible...We have pens just like Barry...Time to use them.

John.
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01-11-2016 01:15 AM  4 years ago
artimus

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Civil disobedience. Reufse to comply. Make them spend very limited resorces on compliance. Local law enforcement isnt going to come after you unless your endangering someone. There is so much more room in jail now for rc pilots now that they quit arresting people for weed here in Washington.
Its sad that I have to tell my grand kids that I remember a time when weed was illegal and you could fly rc airplanes with out being thrown in jail.
Fly Hard......Team Viagra
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01-11-2016 01:43 AM  4 years ago
wrongler

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STRIKE!!Bill Whittaker
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01-11-2016 02:09 AM  4 years ago
jbjones

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Thanks for the update John. That's unfortunate, but not surprising to me. It's terrible news, actually.

I think we need to all use Terry's (Tmoore?) definitions of "models" and "drones" that he had in another thread, and include it in our correspondence with government officials.It was pretty spot-on in describing a model built and flown with skill, rather than a credit-card and pushing a button.

Looks like another round of letters. I'm in!

-JB
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01-11-2016 02:18 AM  4 years ago
1helimech

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I'm in ..I dream of a better world, A world where a chicken's crossing a road IS NOT questioned
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01-11-2016 03:01 AM  4 years ago
gologo

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Thanks for that John! And no, not a surprise here either.

Have the feeling Feb19 is going to come up pretty fast with the
predictable result......absolutely where it stands now!!
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01-11-2016 03:14 AM  4 years ago
TMoore

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Thanks drdot for going to the Expo on all our behalf. Folks, I'm in but I want to tell you that I've been writing and working our representatives for the last 3 weeks and I'm going to continue. Make it personal when you communicate, Congressman and Senator's need to feel the Spirit of what it is we do.

It's time for the AMA to start getting real about this situation. Maybe it's time for a little pushback, maybe it's time to not be so nice. So far we've been nice about this.
Part 107.
The only ZERO flight hour certificate in the world.
It's like getting a driver's license without the driver's test.
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01-11-2016 04:07 AM  4 years ago
revmix

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about FAA actions AMA is always correct; modelaircraft.org all the time 100% wrong
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01-11-2016 04:34 AM  4 years ago
TMoore

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I don't see how in the spirit of cooperation that AMA members will be able to partner with the FAA going forward. It is troubling.

Watch at YouTube

http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/am...sked-questions/
Part 107.
The only ZERO flight hour certificate in the world.
It's like getting a driver's license without the driver's test.
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01-11-2016 10:26 AM  4 years ago
RappyTappy

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I will not register to put myself on "The List" and refuse to say the "D" word out of my mouth. Flying RC is not a crime.Still buyin' and flyin' then crashing and cryin'
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01-11-2016 01:23 PM  4 years ago
1helimech

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The FAA wants me to list the Mfgs of my DRONE to register with them... I own no drones, all I own are MODEL AIRCRAFT(65+) so how do I register them ? If you look at the list of "drones" that the FAA has,it is comprised of all drone manufacturers, not one heli or airplane Mfg. is listed AND it says register your drone NOT the operator...does the FAA even know what is going on here ???? are they asking us to register the operator OR are they indeed registering the sUAS itself...I dream of a better world, A world where a chicken's crossing a road IS NOT questioned
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01-11-2016 02:27 PM  4 years ago
AndyH

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What site did you go to? The one I went didn't ask anything like that. It was to be honest fairly simple and straightforward.

I didn't want to do it, but it's just not worth risking those kind of penalties. I was also afraid waiting to the last day would be a bad idea because there'll be too much traffic which will take down their sever.

Now, don't get me wrong I totally disagree with this whole mess and I blame quad rotors for it. We were fine for decades before those ugly and annoying things showed up and now look where we are? Ban quads, not traditional aircraft.

The FAA doesn't give one flying you know what about us. They're the FAA, and have always been heavy handed you know what's. Years ago I was at a conference where and FAA spokesman talked about suas in the national airspace, and he was straight out contemptuous of the AMA, and was trying to lump rc aircraft with military UAVs. When I asked him after his presentation more detailed questions he wouldn't answer anything.

I'm pretty sure the FAA thinks they're being nice to us by just not shutting us down completely.
This hobby is like Kryptonite to chicks!
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01-11-2016 02:42 PM  4 years ago
elmobad

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I will never comply.
The "fascist aviation authority" has no power, zero power by itself. The way they conjure there power, is by subversively establishing themselves as the power. Then they need the masses to agree to there conjured power. We need to stop agreeing. It's all a big show, let's stop watching!

I try to respect all. But Revmix you chose to use your nonsense one-liners to undermined this community. I am sick of it. Your free to say what ever you want, but I am also free to ignore you.
GOT FBL?
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01-11-2016 03:06 PM  4 years ago
1helimech

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I'm with ELMOBAD 110% but I'm an A&P and a manned aircraft pilot too, so I'm starting to feel a big hammer over my head and my income source at risk....I only fly section 336 model aircraft but if I run across an over Zulus LEO or FAA dude, my livelihood could be in jeopardy i.e. I feel a boot on my throat and the guy with the boot on saying "show me your papers boy" or I'll have all your certs pulled and you'll work no more in aviation ...baahhhaaaa .......

I will be reiterating my stand to my state and Federal Reps. however.....

Good Day and good luck ya'll

PS
I must have been on a rouge web site finally found the legit site thanks for the help AndyH
I dream of a better world, A world where a chicken's crossing a road IS NOT questioned
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01-11-2016 03:10 PM  4 years ago
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wow, now I've been pretty outspoken on what I've detected was the root cause of the regs in the first place. When Hoot starts dropping "Google" and "commercial growth" egad they threw the baby out with the bathwater when they lumped all model aviation together with the new fanged CES "drone" goodies they saw some weeks prior to the AMA meet, all be danged.

"In-Dust-tree", "ironical" and a few other verbal anomalies were tell tail signs the general attitude is one of swinging the door wide open to "INDUSTRY" henceforth immediately whether anyone else likes it or not. "Industry" aka stock market entities aka Mr. Hoot do you own stock in any of these companies you and the FAA so aptly and aggressively facilitate in new venture interests regarding "DRONES"? SIR?

shoot first ask questions later, shot themselves in the foot more like it, how the faa can you ignore a volumnous history of safe "MODEL" aviation in favor of bottom dollar interests behind the new tag? answer= MONEY, tons and tons of MONEEEEEEEEEEEE (from the new "drone" in-dust-tree, lol).

Just argue who exactly owns the air, answer at law, NO ONE BUT THE LORD ALMIGHTY. it was here before anyone and has no tags, respect it.

You're being tagged like another dog for accountability sake, industree must have it in place, ABSOLUTELY. They sucked the modelers right into their big black hole of money hungry proprietors.

dance little puppet dance or you'll be tossed in the fire like all the al-so-ran twigs out there. Not to be cynical buuut.
Zulus
lol, "ZEALOUS" my friend "zealous", (zulus= Freudean slip no doubt)
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01-11-2016 03:14 PM  4 years ago
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The AMA said to go ahead and register... you will hear that message in this video.
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01-11-2016 03:26 PM  4 years ago
revmix

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lost cause
go ahead and register
extra ID # is fail-safe
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01-11-2016 03:38 PM  4 years ago
elmobad

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Those who are "ASKED" to lead us, need to be warned.(dangerous road)

Those who "ASK" to lead us, need to be watched. (very closely)

Those who "FORCE" us to be lead, need to be removed. (quickly and with no hesitation)
GOT FBL?
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01-11-2016 03:43 PM  4 years ago
1helimech

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"Zulus,lol, "ZEALOUS" my friend "zealous", (zulus= Freudean slip no doubt)"

No slip... just didn't trust my spelling and went with spell checker ... sigh ...=)
I dream of a better world, A world where a chicken's crossing a road IS NOT questioned
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01-11-2016 04:32 PM  4 years ago
AndyH

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Wow. Just watched that whole thing. Yup, AMA just told us to go ahead and register, new that was coming.

And yes as with all things in life... Follow the money. The AMA got ignored because they weren't a huge company like Google or Amazon. This just proves that.

Face it guys we've been screwed.. The 5 dollar refund is just them takin us out to a cheap dinner first.
This hobby is like Kryptonite to chicks!
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