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01-06-2016 03:09 AM  4 years ago
Aaron29

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I see that as a faulty argument.

That's like saying if I post a sign illegally in my 25 MPH residential area that says "Speed Limit 15 MPH" and people comply, that it somehow is legitimized and must remain law.

That actually happened, BTW. Concerned parents posted their own speed limit.

When it was discovered to not be law, it didn't hold up to challenge.

An illegal law is illegal. Period. If people chose to comply it doesn't legitimize it.
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01-06-2016 03:26 AM  4 years ago
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if people paid the fines willingly in that area the speed limit would have been changed to 15 mph

but some remembered the law and their to right travel at 25 mph and so the new 15 mph sign was removed

spending time, paying attention
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01-06-2016 03:29 AM  4 years ago
jschenck

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I'm with Aaron - I will register with the FAA on Feb 18th if we have no other legitimate alternative - because I will not put myself in the position of testing the $27k potential fine or legal battles that have already found some "drone operators".

I do hope that someone can put these policy makers in check. Next I will have to register my Red Ryder BB gun or who knows... I'm concerned about where this leads.
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01-06-2016 03:32 AM  4 years ago
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This admin has proved it has no issue forcing regulation many, many times. ACA - forced against will of majority by BS measures. Now this FAA BS. Next up - presidential unconstitutional overreach on gun control. There is ZERO respect for the law. This stuff should come as no surprise. Sorry to bring politics into this, but it's clear this administration will not respond to challenge and sees the constitution as a hurdle, not a guiding document.

Someone the other day said it - FAA is appointed by the executive branch. So a little executive overreach should not surprise anyone.
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01-06-2016 03:37 AM  4 years ago
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I'm with Aaron - I will register with the FAA on Feb 18th if we have no other legitimate alternative
That's the plan it's just that how many are already registered to save 5$

can ya buy a set of AA batteries for that?
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01-06-2016 03:37 AM  4 years ago
Aaron29

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A latte.
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01-06-2016 03:46 AM  4 years ago
jschenck

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The ACA is interesting because the true cost won't be seen until this administration is in the history books. Same with today's executive over reach. The FAA issue here yet another example of what should be clearly illegal but will take years of litigation to straighten out.
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01-06-2016 03:53 AM  4 years ago
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Yeah. It's like that when I walk my dog at the park, too. Someone leaves a steaming pile of dog poop, doesn't care enough about how it negatively impacts other people, leaves it for someone else, like myself, to clean up, while they go about the rest of their lives with impunity.

It'll be up to a future people to clean up the mess, assuming they can even be shown one exists. Meanwhile, try to watch where you step.
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01-06-2016 11:53 AM  4 years ago
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Just because a law is BS doesn't mean I want to test it.
Is it a law? I'm not a lawyer but I would say the quote below is a law because it was signed by the president.
Section 336 also prohibits the FAA from promulgating “any rule or regulation
regarding a model aircraft, or an aircraft being developed as a model aircraft” if the
following statutory requirements are met:
• the aircraft is flown strictly for hobby or recreational use;
I don't do anything with cams so I'm going to follow the law. If you use cams, well then things seem to get gray IMO but if you're not billing anyone for your media...

https://www.faa.gov/uas/media/model...t_spec_rule.pdf
We made up some rules can we have your moneys now.
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01-06-2016 01:32 PM  4 years ago
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the quote below is a law because it was signed by the president.
(c)(2) within the VLOS of the person operating the aircraft
If you use cams, well then things seem to get gray
in the case of FPV the link is between the camera lens & the goggle & not the person operating the model
VLOS is from r/c player to screen/s
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01-06-2016 03:09 PM  4 years ago
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Due to the winter weather and my complete and utter dislike of flying in temps below 50F, I am effectively "grounded" until probably late March/early April. I will not "register" until that time. I havent actually decided if I am going to register at all, unless forced to by a show/meet/contest requirement. Keeping my fingers crossed that something positive happens before then.Steve
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01-06-2016 03:45 PM  4 years ago
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Sort of my perspective tooRob
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01-06-2016 09:48 PM  4 years ago
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So...just for giggles... assume it is March 1st and there has been no court action to stop the registration. Do you think that it is right to require club members to have a federal UAS registration on their person and in their airplanes?

It is the law (ok assume this point just for argument) so why would a club let someone that is not in compliance fly at their field?
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01-06-2016 10:44 PM  4 years ago
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01-07-2016 12:01 AM  4 years ago
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FAQ that addresses the legal ramification of club officers being negligent in allowing people fly w/o registration. This is not a club issue, it is a personal responsibility issue.
So lets say an uninvited flyer was at your field and got nabbed for non compliance the club could also be fined ??

That would suck who would want to run an official club

seems bleak first I'm forced into an underground economy and maybe soon an underground model flying club "kidding"
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01-07-2016 12:01 AM  4 years ago
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^^ I agree with Jerry - this would be about the same as club officers checking to see if you registered your car before allowing you to drive in the club parking lot.
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01-07-2016 12:17 AM  4 years ago
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I just threw it out there... It's difference is that the person flying would be doing something "illegal" and that is the primary reason to be at a flying field. It is unlike speeding on the way to the field, because that activity has stopped and is not the current activity. I don't think the club would want any "heat" from LEO or the FAA.

It's just a discussion...

I can see that clubs are going to have to think and talk about this...
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01-07-2016 12:21 AM  4 years ago
jschenck

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Valid question and discussion point. I would bet a dozen Krispy Kreme that some clubs will not allow you to join or operate on their field without FAA registration, even if it becomes "optional" or "suggested" rather than "required" as it currently is stated.
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01-07-2016 01:44 AM  4 years ago
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If you fly aircraft under 250g or UControl I think you could be eligible to be a member of any AMA club without being registered.Part 107.
The only ZERO flight hour certificate in the world.
It's like getting a driver's license without the driver's test.
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01-07-2016 02:06 AM  4 years ago
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