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12-26-2015 10:45 PM  3 years ago
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Heli_Splatter

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FAA Shuts Down SFRA Fields - 14 AMA fields.
There are currently eight SFRA (Special Flight Rule Areas) defined by the FAA. You can google and look at the areas on Wiki. On Sept 2,2015 the FAA issued CA 91-57A that restricts all model operations within the SFRAs. On November 25 the FAA issued NJO 7110.891 (which I have not been able to find)

The government is working to create an exception for AMA and pre-established fields by Jan 15. Until then no flying. Some fields may not get an exception and may have to close.

This issue could be raised in any large city. I am sure that they are going to establish more SFRAs to prevent flying over cities.

This is going to affect a lot of model fields.

It does not help in dealing with the FAA to see some of the comments written here. They don't have to let us fly. This is the big issue that I have alluded to.
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12-26-2015 10:55 PM  3 years ago
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Reform Act of Congress a few years behind
going by the book [can't be wrong] if all else failed
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12-26-2015 11:02 PM  3 years ago
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Message from FAA
From: FAA
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 10:17 AM
To: AMA
Cc: Multiple FAA contacts
Subject: Request for your assistance

Good morning everyone.

As we continue our efforts to develop a plan for the resumption of model aircraft operations in the Washington, D.C. Special Flight Rules Area (SFRA), we are hearing reports that some individuals may be flying inside the SFRA even though they know it is in violation of the current airspace restrictions. We are asking for your help in spreading the word to the National Capitol Region model aircraft community that such activity is subject to enforcement action, and could damage our efforts to secure the interagency concurrence that is critical to this effort. As I have told many of you over the last weeks and months, there is increasing governmental support to make this happen, both within FAA and the whole of government, but our combined efforts could easily be delayed, or derailed entirely, by any incidents that involve folks knowingly operating within the SFRA in violation of current airspace restrictions. We know that the vast, vast majority of model aircraft hobbyists/enthusiasts, whether they are members of a formal organization or not, wholeheartedly follow the rules, police themselves and others, and do everything they can to operate safely and legitimately. Anything you can do to help us get the word out would be deeply appreciated. The last thing anyone wants to hear from the federal government is “be patient”, but you folks have been patient, and understanding, and we sincerely appreciate both as we work to try and get you back in the air.

On another note, many of you have invited FAA and our interagency security partners to come out and visit your flying sites and talk to your members, etc. We appreciate the invites and have extended them to our interagency law enforcement and security partners. We hope to take you up on the invitations in the near future. Additionally, I know that many of your members and fellow model aircraft enthusiasts have questions and concerns, about both the SFRA issue and model aircraft operations in general. I would be happy to address them directly, either in person or via telcon or email, and I’m sure my partners from FAA Legal, the UAS Integration Office, and Flight Standards would be more than willing to join in the discourse. If you are interested in such a discussion, just let me know.
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all of you.
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12-26-2015 11:04 PM  3 years ago
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From AMA
E mail from AMA Disteict 4 VP Jay Marsh:

From:Jay Marsh, AMA Vice President District IV [mailto:jaymarsh@ama-d4.org]
Sent: Friday, December 25, 2015 7:19 PM
Subject: DC SFRA is a NO FLY ZONE

My Dear Clubs in and around the DC SFRA,

Let me first say Merry Christmas to one and all and I hope Santa was good to you.

The FAA has requested we stop operations at our AMA fields that are inside the DC Special Flight Rules Area for the DC area called the DC SFRA. The letter attached is from Ray Stinchcomb our District IV Government Relations Coordinator with an explanation of the action by the FAA.

You will not need to close the field, only cease operations temporarily, no flying of anything, until mid-January when we expect to get permission to continue operations for all fields.

By the FAA’s count there are 36 flying sites within the DC SFRA. AMA can account for 14 of those. Please pass the word to the Drone User Groups that they need to stop operations too. The FAA did indicate they were going to use law enforcement to enforce this.
One of our AVPs, Rick Moreland, will be contacting you offering to help find fields for our members to use in the interim. I have CC all of your addresses and I hope you will contact each other and work together to help each other and make this as painless as possible. Sorry folks, but we have to comply with the FAA.

Effective as soon as you can please post this suggested sign at your flying site.
THIS IS A NO FLY ZONE
UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE THE FAA HAS REQUESTED THAT ALL FLYING OPERATIONS BE DISCONTINUED.
THIS IS A NO FLY ZONE
PLEASE CONTACT ???? Club Officer ???? FOR FURTHER INFORMATION

Sorry to have to give you this news but it is necessary and I promise the District IV staff and AMA will continue to resolve this as soon as possible. If you have any questions don’t hesitate to contact me.
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12-27-2015 12:19 AM  3 years ago
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So much for registration for the DC area folks. Unbelievable. Here is the best map I could find. The yellow circle indicates the SFRA area. Sure glad I live outside that circle.
If someone has a better map please post it. It ain't easy to find with the lay of the land in it.

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12-27-2015 12:25 AM  3 years ago
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No email or update from our field.
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12-27-2015 02:17 AM  3 years ago
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The FAA is certainly acting as if it is way out of control, going way, way overboard in making sure nothing flies of which it isn't aware, or under their direct control.

It really IS time for some serious Congressional oversight of the Agency, to figure out what is going on, why it is going on, and reigning them in.

BTW -- perhaps you were looking for JO 7210.891

http://www.faa.gov/documentlibrary/...as_7210.891.pdf
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12-27-2015 02:36 AM  3 years ago
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They don't have to let us fly.
Don't they work for us? Did I miss something? In a democracy doesn't the will of the people rule? If we (the people of these United States) choose to fly drones, doesn't the FAA have to let us?
"Well, nothing bad can happen now."
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12-27-2015 02:40 AM  3 years ago
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This issue could be raised in any large city. I am sure that they are going to establish more SFRAs to prevent flying over cities.
Amazon wants hobbyists put in their place, which are designated hobbyist airfields.
E820, Raptor G4N, X50F/E, E620, Forza 450, and some planks.
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12-27-2015 03:04 AM  3 years ago
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Please explain the AMAZON tie-in.
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12-27-2015 03:44 AM  3 years ago
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Please explain the AMAZON tie-in.
  
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12-27-2015 04:45 AM  3 years ago
drdot

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Fwiw..

Sure ties nicely to registering your drones, does't it? ...Time to stary planning fly ins, folks..We are their employers, they our employees...Do not let these government hacks ruin our hobby...
(Yes, I am also a full sclae pilot..I get the need for ATC...Don't start....)
John.
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12-27-2015 04:54 AM  3 years ago
don s

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Please explain the AMAZON tie-in.

Search google images for amazon flight zones.
E820, Raptor G4N, X50F/E, E620, Forza 450, and some planks.
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12-27-2015 12:18 PM  3 years ago
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Thanks for the good messages... I am only the messenger not the author. The FAA can pretty much do anything they want in the name of safety or security.

Then it takes a lot of time and expense to sort it out. I am pretty much grounded. It is a long drive to go fly somewhere else. I have to wait and hope for relief.

Jimmy, I think this covers your field too. I certainly don't know for sure. You will have to do whatever your leadership says. The AMA message is pretty clear.
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12-27-2015 01:36 PM  3 years ago
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From what I have been able to read, the notice came out in September 2015 and is in place until late 2016. This is not a brand new notice. However, FAA is now enforcing it...or trying to.
DCRC field on County property has now been closed by the county. City of Manassas has issued a no fly announcement. So all in all the FAA is stepping up the enforcement.
I have also read, and it is unconfirmed, that they are installing new radar that will be capable of detecting UA's in the SFRA regions.

Or maybe they are pissed because the 45,000 really only turned out to be 450?
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12-27-2015 02:42 PM  3 years ago
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what's the deal about the "new" one not being outcry?
the faa.gov 'may not promulgate any rule or regulation regarding a model aircraft' as of 2012, AC91-57A was issued in 2015,
https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary...r/AC_91-57A.pdf
how come AMA accepted this & has not opposed to it?
just as Petition 2014 'Interpretation'
https://nppa.org/sites/default/file...%2008-22-14.pdf
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12-27-2015 03:50 PM  3 years ago
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Wow Amazon is giving away a free "drone" with every delivery..... heheheh... I hope my sprinkler system doesn't come on just as one lands in my yard I dream of a better world, A world where a chicken's crossing a road IS NOT questioned
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12-27-2015 04:04 PM  3 years ago
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time to boycott Amazon an in the rc world
Down
Johanan Gates
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12-27-2015 04:10 PM  3 years ago
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I will seriously boycott Amazon if this is real
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12-27-2015 04:14 PM  3 years ago
drdot

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Fwiw..

Looking at the big picture....How
many X mas drones are flying in that SFRA as I type...

I suggest THE FAA read the story of King Canute...
Was a reason given for this overreach?..Or is it Daddy says so...

If I lived there, I would have no choice but to continue to fly...

Almost feel sorry for the FAA dweebs attending the AMA show soon...the abuse will be epic!!!

John.
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