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12-22-2015 12:05 AM  3 years ago
revmix

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r/c model for hobby use, pics for kids
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12-22-2015 12:38 AM  3 years ago
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Congress has already stated the FAA doesn't have the authority to regulate model aircraft that meet the criteria under Section 336. Johnny Law would be acting outside of the law at that point.

FAA MODERNIZATION AND REFORM ACT OF 2012

SEC. 336. SPECIAL RULE FOR MODEL AIRCRAFT.
(a) IN GENERAL.—Notwithstanding any other provision of law relating to the incorporation of unmanned aircraft systems into Federal Aviation Administration plans and policies, including this subtitle, the Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration may not promulgate any rule or regulation regarding a model aircraft, or an aircraft being developed as a model aircraft, if—
(1) the aircraft is flown strictly for hobby or recreational use;
(2) the aircraft is operated in accordance with a community-based set of safety guidelines and within the programming of a nationwide community-based organization;
(3) the aircraft is limited to not more than 55 pounds unless otherwise certified through a design, construction, inspection, flight test, and operational safety program administered by a community-based organization;
(4) the aircraft is operated in a manner that does not interfere with and gives way to any manned aircraft; and
(5) when flown within 5 miles of an airport, the operator of the aircraft provides the airport operator and the airport air traffic control tower (when an air traffic facility is located at the airport) with prior notice of the operation (model aircraft operators flying from a permanent location within 5 miles of an airport should establish a mutually-agreed upon operating procedure with the airport operator and the airport air traffic control tower (when an air traffic facility is located at the airport)).
(b) STATUTORY CONSTRUCTION.—Nothing in this section shall be construed to limit the authority of the Administrator to pursue enforcement action against persons operating model aircraft who endanger the safety of the national airspace system.
(c) MODEL AIRCRAFT DEFINED.—In this section, the term ‘‘model aircraft’’ means an unmanned aircraft that is—
(1) capable of sustained flight in the atmosphere
(2) flown within visual line of sight of the person operating the aircraft; and
(3) flown for hobby or recreational purposes
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12-22-2015 12:50 AM  3 years ago
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(c) MODEL AIRCRAFT DEFINED.—In this section, the term ‘‘model aircraft’’ means an unmanned aircraft that is—
go figure
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12-22-2015 12:04 PM  3 years ago
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Still the argue continues, one needs to choose. Arguing whether they can or not, well government does as they wish. Laws to them don't mean anything but a club for their use. That fight starts in November. Oh thanks to everyone for the info it will help on each person's decision.

The bad part is I have customers coming in the store asking if they don't have a drone do they have to register? Shame the FAA made it model aircraft which gets us all. I did find a way out just fly "Air Hog" items.
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12-22-2015 05:21 PM  3 years ago
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(c) takes two to drone agree too
Shame the FAA made it model aircraft which gets us all.
modelaircraft.org accepted & included drones also by 336
‘‘model aircraft’’ means an unmanned aircraft that is—
The bad part is
AMA plays a double game for its members [management repeats what the crowd says & wants to hear, regardless the facts that amablog.org participated creating section Special Rule]
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12-22-2015 07:12 PM  3 years ago
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Revmix, sounds like you've made 2 decisions. Not to register and to drop your AMA.

Oh a vocabulary lesson: "AMA/FAA"

Simile: Definition, Different but mean the same.

Your pissed at the wrong people, Not one on site wants this and as you can see not many stood firm. Feel free to keep arguing, you prove no point.
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12-22-2015 07:18 PM  3 years ago
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2 decisions
your misunderstanding, just like model-drone
prove no point.
only stating; fact is it
Revmix
as this r [spin rational]
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12-23-2015 02:38 AM  3 years ago
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compliance
[spin rational]
truth is in the details
(2) the aircraft is operated in accordance with a community-based set of safety guidelines and within the programming of a nationwide community-based organization;
accordingly any r/c player has to belong to a local club affiliated with national hobby group,
kicker; within programming matches within VLOS
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12-23-2015 05:33 AM  3 years ago
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PL112-95 section 336 accepts the definition of an aircraft. However, it goes one step further and defines a Model Aircraft. To be a Model Aircraft it must be able to sustain flight in the atmosphere, AND it is operated within the visual line of sight by a ground -based operator AND it is used solely for recreational or hobby purposes. It takes all three criteria to be a model aircraft. And, by the way, it can be up to 55 lbs in weight.

If it meets the criteria to BE a Model Aircraft, then the FAA is barred by law from regulating or issuing rules concerning its operation or use.

Or so a plain meaning of the law, as written, appears to be.
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12-23-2015 02:04 PM  3 years ago
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I hope the FAA's genuine concern is with the ability of flight beyond line of site with the new GPS assisted flight control systems. This puts the model in a different category entirely.

Unfortunately the media's quest for sensationalism has caused the public to define anything flown by remote control as a DRONE.

Our local club had a request from the town news paper to do an article on Drones and the club. The reporter spent about 1 1/2 hours with us and we went over the distinction between multi- rotors, fixed wing and Heli's. We even reiterated the definition of a drone numerous times.

After all was said and done the reporter wrote the article along with pictures and a caption below the picture read "A Drone being flown at the club Field".

This was the Drone!

I honestly have no hope for the future of humanity.
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12-23-2015 02:59 PM  3 years ago
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If it meets the criteria to BE a Model Aircraft, then the FAA is barred by law from regulating or issuing rules concerning its operation or use.
existing [& future] aviation laws apply to all aircrafts, included model; such as TFR & the same with registration being on the books
Or so a plain meaning of the law, as written, appears to be.
Part 107 will be in force

https://www.faa.gov/regulations_pol...t_signature.pdf
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12-23-2015 04:04 PM  3 years ago
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Law says may not promulgate ANY, not may not promulgate ANY NEW.

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12-23-2015 05:05 PM  3 years ago
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ANY
existing as has been
Roolz
sure of course
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12-23-2015 05:27 PM  3 years ago
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ANY
existing as has been
May not.
Roolz
sure of course
For some.

E820, Raptor G4N, X50F/E, E620, Forza 450, and some planks.
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12-23-2015 05:51 PM  3 years ago
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must be not
May not.
so by this TFR should not be either after all
although listed
AMA News
FAA NOTAMs
NOTAM/TFR issued for the NYC / Newark, NJ metro area for Mon, 11/2
Nov 20, 2015 2:27 PM
For some
both ways
http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/IntheAir_TFRs.pdf
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12-23-2015 06:18 PM  3 years ago
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FAA MODERNIZATION AND REFORM ACT OF 2012
SEC. 336. SPECIAL RULE FOR MODEL AIRCRAFT.
(a) IN GENERAL.—Notwithstanding any other provision of law relating to the incorporation of unmanned aircraft systems into Federal Aviation Administration plans and policies, including this subtitle, the Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration may not promulgate any rule or regulation regarding a model aircraft, or an aircraft being developed as a model aircraft, if—
It seems the FAA is circumventing Sec. 336 by endeavoring to establish that model aircraft are and have always been aircraft in the eyes of the law as seen by the FAA. As such, they are and have been subject to all the existing rules in place at the time of passage of Public Law 112-95. Thus, the FAA is not implementing new laws, rather they are enforcing existing laws that model aviation has been ignoring for the longest time. Haven't full scale aircraft always required registration and identification numbers?
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12-23-2015 06:21 PM  3 years ago
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FAA MODERNIZATION AND REFORM ACT OF 2012
SEC. 336. SPECIAL RULE FOR MODEL AIRCRAFT.
(a) IN GENERAL.—Notwithstanding In spite of any other provision of law relating to the incorporation of unmanned aircraft systems into Federal Aviation Administration plans and policies, including this subtitle, the Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration may not promulgate any rule or regulation regarding a model aircraft, or an aircraft being developed as a model aircraft, if—
E820, Raptor G4N, X50F/E, E620, Forza 450, and some planks.
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12-23-2015 06:43 PM  3 years ago
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In legal context, notwithstanding means "not prevented by".
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12-23-2015 06:47 PM  3 years ago
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law relating to the incorporation of unmanned aircraft systems into Federal Aviation Administration plans and policies
both registration & TFR general aviation intended & not specific for model a/c only,
similar scenario

http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/...FR-20100914.pdf
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12-24-2015 01:26 AM  3 years ago
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I think it's a good thing that they're doing it, if you don't think so just wait until one of these cheap drones fall on the front windshield of your car that will change your mind. People need to be held responsible if they decide to fly these things in a reckless manor.
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