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02-02-2016 05:05 PM  30 months agoPost 421
revmix

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FA# is for the r/c-er & AMA is irrelevant

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02-02-2016 05:12 PM  30 months agoPost 422
ICUR1-2

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AMA is irrelevant
you said it

spending time, paying attention

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02-02-2016 05:20 PM  30 months agoPost 423
RM3

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AMA# has become an "inside Joke"...

kinda like the special handshake you need to know in order to get into your kids tree house.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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02-02-2016 05:25 PM  30 months agoPost 424
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Or do you have register each aircraft?
No, you register the owner just once, nothing to do with how many you own.

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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02-02-2016 05:27 PM  30 months agoPost 425
revmix

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FA# education
AMA#
336 CBO S.C. has not been changed so r/c activity as usual, hobby & fun

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02-02-2016 11:02 PM  30 months agoPost 426
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To find where the AMA stands....
I sent off several email to various "director" level individuals in the AMA. Asking just that, and the response was...
We believe registration is counter to Congress’ intent with the FMRA and we do have a petition with the US Court of Appeals.
AMA has not changed its position. We continue to be disappointed with the registration...
...the FAA has agreed in principle to several items that will help ease this process for our members.
and...
We are resolute in our commitment and will continue to advocate on behalf of our members
I can't tell if they even have a position.

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02-02-2016 11:21 PM  30 months agoPost 427
revmix

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position
Don Quixote

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02-02-2016 11:32 PM  30 months agoPost 428
Zaneman007

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Friend or Foe
After going to the AMA's Government Relations Blog at:

http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/amagov

I'm not sure what if anything that they are doing for us.

let me cut out some excerpts...
We raised multiple questions around the guidelines pilots must agree to during the registration process....
We specifically addressed the 400 foot altitude limitation...
We also raised concerns with the FAA about a possibly stricter registration process....
In addition, we discussed the numerous affiliate AMA members, non-US citizen or non-US resident competitors, and citizens who are currently away from the states who have not been able to register on the FAA site.
Many of our members have raised concerns about the privacy.....
I find this quote disturbing:
We met with 37 different offices during our visit, primarily with those on the Transportation and Infrastructure committee.
And I thought that they were petitioning the FAA.

My concern is not with the administration of the FAA registration process. It is with the FAA administering rules and regulations for model aircraft, in violation of FMRA Act of 2012, the law. When AMA say they are working with, it sounds like they are working for... the FAA.

I'm not registering, because to me it is obvious that I'm considered a "Hobbyist" and thus not required to register, even by the FAA's modified rules.

The AMA's responses are rhetorical. I'm going to reply to the AMA's response, and say just that.

Please write the AMA, we need them to sue the FAA, and not just assist them with administration of the FAA registration process. They met with the Transportation and infrastructure committee, really? I wonder if they got a chance to go to the Zoo.

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02-03-2016 01:23 AM  29 months agoPost 429
ICUR1-2

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from what I read in the above post sounds like all the AMA can do is "raise concerns", "discussing", "raising multiple questions",.

yet individuals are sueing !

spending time, paying attention

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02-03-2016 01:30 AM  29 months agoPost 430
xcellgasman101

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I wonder if they got a chance to go to the Zoo
Only if they were registered. Lol. XGM/VGM

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02-04-2016 11:09 AM  29 months agoPost 431
EEngineer

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"like all the AMA can do is "raise concerns"

Yes....they need a good dose of Viagra.

'Cause theirs don't work anymore.

Sec. 336 is LAW....don't like it?

Call Senator James Inhofe(R-OK) who sponsored Sec. 336. which was passed into FED LAW.

Otherwise.....lol.....get scammed...lol

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02-04-2016 02:24 PM  29 months agoPost 432
Zaneman007

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What the AMA is doing?
This is straight from the AMA:
As I mentioned and as listed on the blogs, this is a multipronged approach. We cannot control what the Federal Government mandates, but we can work to remove or revise it. We are working on revising legislation (specifically the FMRA) through Congress, we have legal action through the US Court of Appeals, we are advocating directly with the FAA and other Federal Agencies, and we are partnering with manufacturers and associations (strength in numbers)

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02-04-2016 04:09 PM  29 months agoPost 433
Zaneman007

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FAA registration, Law, Rule, Regulation or Guideline?
Please see text in bold. This is from the AMA's government blog website.
Q: Am I required by law to comply with the guidelines listed on the UAS Registration site?

A: The FAA acknowledged that AMA members should continue to follow AMA’s community-based safety code. We also discussed and the FAA confirmed that the language on the FAA registration site is a guideline, not regulation. This guideline is not directed at the AMA community but rather, it is a simplified set of safety guidelines geared to the general public.
I find the bold text very interesting.

So, is the registration process a guideline?

That would explain how they are getting around the FMRA Act of 2012.

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02-04-2016 04:30 PM  29 months agoPost 434
revmix

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as per Interim Rule ~ r/c-ers must get FA#
the registration process
mandatory therefore binding

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02-04-2016 05:39 PM  29 months agoPost 435
xcellgasman101

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as per Interim Rule
How is a rule. LAW?????
mandatory therefore binding
Really? remix you are all over the place. 🙀👏

John Crotts
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02-04-2016 06:09 PM  29 months agoPost 436
revmix

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administrative law
Really? remix
via r/c user policy

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02-04-2016 11:19 PM  29 months agoPost 437
Zaneman007

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I now Know what the AMA is doing for us!!!!! Nothing
They are trying to write themselves into the law!!!!!!!!

With this bill:
14TH CONGRESS 2D SESSION House Resolution ________

To transfer operation of air traffic services currently provided by the Federal Aviation Administration to a separate not-for-profit corporate entity, to reauthorize and streamline programs of the Federal Aviation Administration, and for other purposes.
the Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration shall make available to the public, through electronic or other suitable means, information developed jointly by the Federal Aviation Administration and appropriate nongovernmental organizations relating to the safe operation of unmanned aircraft in United States airspace that includes—
Would an Appropriate nongovernmental organization be the AMA. They are going to make their dues mandatory. Have you seen their last invoice?
STATUTORY CONSTRUCTION.—Nothing in this section may be construed to limit the authority of the Administrator to pursue enforcement action against persons operating model aircraft who endanger the safety of the national airspace system.
‘§ 45503. Risk-based permitting of unmanned aircraft systems 
(a) IN GENERAL.—Not later than 120 days after 15  the date of enactment of this section, the Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration shall establish procedures for issuing permits under this section with respect 18  to certain unmanned aircraft systems and operations thereof. ‘‘(b) PERMITTING STANDARDS.—Upon the submission of an application in accordance with subsection (d), the Administrator shall issue a permit with respect to the proposed operation of an unmanned aircraft system if the Administrator determines that posed operation achieve a level of safety that is equivalent to— ....
This is what the AMA was working on with the transportation and infrastructure committee.

This is not good, a Permit?

It's going to be easier, and cheaper to buy a handgun

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02-04-2016 11:59 PM  29 months agoPost 438
Mike0251

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Was cheaper to renew with the NRA tonight! Think next years ama dues will go to ammo and targets

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02-05-2016 05:24 AM  29 months agoPost 439
newbheliusr

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How is a rule. LAW?????
Just like a tax is really a fine. Like the "fine" for not having health insurance. They say it's a tax, but you get something for paying taxes. It's not like once you pay the tax, you get health insurance. It's a fine no matter how you look at it. IT's all in what you choose to call it. And the government calls it a tax. Cause it's in their favor to do so.

The government does what it wants, when it wants. Just like these crazy laws coming from the FAA. They have no legal ground to do what they are doing. So when you don't have the law on your side, you change the law. Simple as that.

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02-05-2016 10:43 AM  29 months agoPost 440
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