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01-30-2016 10:16 AM  3 years ago
aceisback

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It is quite interesting how peoples arguments against this FAA BS is just as convoluted as the FAA regs are which is to be expected when the hobby is considered to be in danger, but until there is a final definition of what is legal and what is not, one can only choose to take the risk, or not take the risk. I fly on private property out in the middle of a bunch of cornfields, so the risk is low for me to do something stupid or cause harm.

The "well if they don't have too, why should I" attitude makes no sense as we are not comparing apples to apples. The ultralight comparison does not hold water. These kind of justifications are not going to solve the problem. Ultralights are not flying around a park among people, and they are not hovering above public areas and such, nor are they being flown FPV and out of LOS and interfering with fire fighting helis trying to put out fires. I personally could care less if a person registers or not, as I don't believe the regs are enforceable and valid, yet we are comparing unmanned toys to manned equipment where a pilot has more control of the equipment.

But even though the regs are not considered legal at this time, come Feb 19, I am not going to be guinea pig to find out.

Because I personally know of a local individual who is quite aware of the FAA regs yet still flies irresponsibly taking videos and pics (including flying within a mile of a regional airport and over the city), I hope there is some kind of enforceable regulation when all is said and done.

Actually seeing people do these things on a weekly basis and posting their stuff on YT and FB, gives a person a different perspective on the issue. Something needs done, but needs done in such a way not to make things difficult for the responsible pilot. The guy has already told people on his YT and FB pages that he doesn't care about the regs, yet he was actually interviewed on a local news station talking about the FAA regs and flying responsibly. Too bad the news crew really know nothing about what is right or wrong when it comes to flying responsibly.
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01-30-2016 02:18 PM  3 years ago
RappyTappy

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The "well if they don't have too, why should I" attitude makes no sense as we are not comparing apples to apples. The ultralight comparison does not hold water.
I said in remote areas where ultralight are not required to register a model toy has to. I know ultralight don't fly in parks.
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01-30-2016 06:27 PM  3 years ago
Zaneman007

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The law that Congress makes
so who is going to tell the FAA the regulations are not enforceable.
The FRMA Act of 2012 as passed by congress is law and it did. I would copy and paste the law here, but if you didn't get...? Do your own research and look up the definition of Anarchy, it would seems to apply to the FAA.

This is a direct excerpt from the FAA's interpretation of the law:
Therefore, regardless of whether a model aircraft satisfies the statutory definition and operational requirements described above, if the model aircraft is operated in such a manner that endangers the safety of the NAS, the FAA may take enforcement action consistent with Congress’ mandate.
How does this give them the right to ignore the law and regulate the model aircraft industry by requiring registration of drones over .55 lbs?

The FAA's interpretation of the law in its entirety can be seen at link below:
http://www.faa.gov/uas/media/model_...t_spec_rule.pdf

Q: Who is going to tell the FAA the regulations are not enforceable?
A: The President who signed a law that prohibits the FAA from regulating the model aircraft industry.

Q:Can the FAA require the registration of model aircraft?
A:And I quote from the FMRA act of 2012:
the Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration may not promulgate any rule or regulation regarding a model aircraft
Q:Where is the law that states that Model Aircraft have to be registered with the FAA?
A:There is no law, but the FAA does have a web site stating that there is a registration "requirement" for model aircraft if: and this is a quote from the FAA website:
Owners must register their UAS by paper if it meets the following guidelines:
Your aircraft is used for commercial purposes.
Your aircraft is used for other than hobby and recreation.
Your aircraft is greater than 55 lbs.
You intend to operate your aircraft outside of the United States.
Please note: that the FAA's premise is base on "security of the NAS" and their, not congresses, definition of model aircraft. If you read the FAA document you will see that they have added some additional requirements in order for your aircraft to be considered "model aircraft".

Q: Do I have to register my models?
A: Although I'm not a keyboard lawyer as implied. It's more than clear to me that I don't have to.

Q: Do you have to register?
A: Go Figure. Laws apply to everyone, including the FAA.

The link to the FAA site is:
https://www.faa.gov/uas/registration/

In Summary
The FAA is trying to redefine the term "Model Aircraft." The goal being model aircraft are not model aircraft and thus... the FAA has authority. It would appear that they are targeting quad copters, FPV and AP aircraft by excluding them from the "Congress's" definition of model aircraft. My concern is that they will go after helicopters and fixed winged, next. We don't need "big brother" in our hobby.

Where is the AMA? Hello
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01-30-2016 07:29 PM  3 years ago
Fall2Fast

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Will your club require FAA registration card?
This question may have been asked before, but I can't seem to find the answer.
Are AMA chartered fields going to require that pilots are registered with the FAA?
Unfortunately my local club may be closing, we are 4 miles from a small airport. We have been flying in this location for MANY years, and now all of a sudden it's a problem.
if you see the pilot running....try to keep up!
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01-30-2016 08:12 PM  3 years ago
Zaneman007

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Does anyone know where the AMA stand?
I would think that thats a question to ask the AMA.
Unfortunately my local club may be closing, we are 4 miles from a small airport. We have been flying in this location for MANY years, and now all of a sudden it's a problem.
Sorry to hear that, but there are no "new' laws in regards to distance. That I am aware of.

My suggestion would be to educate yourself, and get involved in your club.
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01-30-2016 11:33 PM  3 years ago
TheMainShaft

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Why isn't the AMA organizing the thousands of advertisers to it's magazine and the RC industry in general. This action by the FAA is going to affect all of their businesses, even the overseas ones. Each and every one should be filing a law suit in a federal court against the FAA for unnecessary and illegal damages.
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01-30-2016 11:50 PM  3 years ago
RM3

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Why isn't the AMA organizing the thousands of advertisers to it's magazine and the RC industry in general.
cause the AMA does not know what it is doing to begin with...they are not savvy enough to have figured out the multiple contradictions the FAA is tied up in nor how to really go about attacking the FAA... the best they can do is kneel down and beg...

maybe if they would spend more of our dues towards hiring a legal team that actually knows what and how to get things done by attacking from multiple angles...

It seems to me they are just trying to save themselves from being seen as irrelevant.
showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...
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01-31-2016 12:08 AM  3 years ago
revmix

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sUAS/model/drone menace due to faulty PL112-95/336
Congress & gov. are covering themselves, doing everything possible in the name of public safety & the weakest r/c link gets tightened
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01-31-2016 12:26 AM  3 years ago
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Why isn't the AMA organizing the thousands of advertisers to it's magazine and the RC industry in general. This action by the FAA is going to affect all of their businesses, even the overseas ones.
Maybe...have you seen the latest issue of Model Aviation? Drones galore. Even Spektrum on the front inside cover with some sort of "drone-specific" TX advertisement.

Yeah..the AMA isn't full of fools. Perhaps we are, but they're certainly not.

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01-31-2016 12:28 AM  3 years ago
wrongler

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Here is a good question I found on another post:
Any idea how the AMA is going to host R/C events at their Muncie, IN facility with Reese Airport adjacent to their property on the south side? Wouldn't the new FAA ruling prohibit operations within 5 miles?
Bill Whittaker
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01-31-2016 12:39 AM  3 years ago
HeliDinoRC

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Good point but I imagine the AMA has an agreement with the airport and notify them of events prior to the start of the event. The FMRA of 2012 section 336(a)(5) allows for flight within 5 miles of an airport upon notifying the airport or making an agreement with them. Also, the guideline noted on the FAA registration allows for flight within 5 miles of an airport upon notifying ATC and airport authorities.Fail to Plan.....Plan to Fail
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01-31-2016 01:19 PM  3 years ago
revmix

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mandatory takes all
FA.reg.tag.# may override CBO S.C.
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02-02-2016 05:12 AM  3 years ago
fivespeed

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I will NOT register
I will fly my models until Feb 19th. After that I will fly models that weigh less that 255 grams (or two stcks of butter. I may take two sticks of butter and a balancing scale out with me when I fly... ).

I will wait to see what happens with this rediculous registration.

The FAA now allows you to pay using a VISA gift card... sounds great, good for those who don't want their information and cc # in a government database. I don't blame anyone for not trusting the government to keep their information secure. There have been too many breaches of their systems that have resulted in private information being stolen. I work in the software industry and have to pay atten tion to computer security.., it is highly likely that my HOME network is more secure than the US government database that is housing this registry information!

Here is a new concern. Many have mentioned someone copying down your registration number from seeing it on your aircraft or perhaps your battery door when you are changing batteries or however they may find your number. What prevents some idiot who intends to fly where and how they KNOW they shouldn't fly from going into the phone book, picking a random name and address, registering with the FAA using that name and address and for the paltry fee of five bucks, should an accident occur or something go wrong with their video of a "drone" flight over the superbowl, the feds come knocking on the door of someone who doesn't even OWN anything RC related!?

Just a thought from my sometimes warped mind. Warped but far more sensible that anything coming from the minds of the feds!

Yes the government really thinks these things through... sigh...
I only need ONE more heli... just one more than I have... :)
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02-02-2016 11:08 AM  3 years ago
EEngineer

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Total troll BS..lolLogo 600SXs, 800XX, TDR IIs
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02-02-2016 12:50 PM  3 years ago
ICUR1-2

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yeah the troll is back spending time, paying attention
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02-02-2016 03:03 PM  3 years ago
revmix

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General Aviation vs. hobby use
operating rules & regs apply to all regardless of personal belief
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02-02-2016 03:19 PM  3 years ago
RM3

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operating rules & regs apply to all regardless of personal belief
WRONG...

operating rules & regs apply to all those who dont have heavy legal and political connections.
showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...
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02-02-2016 03:36 PM  3 years ago
revmix

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WRONG...
as per noted; personal belief
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02-02-2016 03:56 PM  3 years ago
Stephen Born

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02-02-2016 05:04 PM  3 years ago
Kevin Dalrymple

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What if just one person registered and gave everyone the use of that number. Or do you have register each aircraft?Synergy Field Rep Rail Blades Field Rep
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