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01-29-2016 02:13 AM  3 years ago
elmobad

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Thumbs up +1 all of that.

Power of not complying does make a difference.
The sheeple prefer knee pads, YES it's so EASY!
GOT FBL?
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01-29-2016 02:26 AM  3 years ago
xcellgasman101

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you all kill me,,,, If 5 dollars is going to take you down, your in the wrong hobby,,, Just because someone registers does not make them sheep,, it just means they are try to do the RIGHT thing, baa, baa, baa, Get a LIFE! and move on,, PLEASE!! XGM/VGMJohn Crotts
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01-29-2016 04:16 AM  3 years ago
HeimD

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Just because someone registers does not make them sheep,, it just means they are try to do the RIGHT thing
I registered and I don't really give a rat's ass about doing the "right thing". I just don't want to get in freakin' legal trouble.
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01-29-2016 04:18 AM  3 years ago
elmobad

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 If 5 dollars is going to take you down,
Haha NO its not the $5 that makes anyone a sheep. It comes down to the fact of continuous bind compliance "doing the right thing" no matter how foolish makes you a sheep.

Those who choose to comply with the faa's illigal actions, is there choice. <-----not necessarily a sheep

Those who choose to comply with the faa's illigal action then defend the government by "doing the right thing" or "its so easy"<------ya that's a sheep!
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01-29-2016 05:24 AM  3 years ago
Aaron29

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I choose to comply because I don't want to face the consequences of going rogue.

Even the sheep dog is trained by the master.

As far as defending the government. Well. If u comply without agreeing it can create a lot of cognitive dissonance. I know I have it. So for some, accepting the reality is to make it like u agree. Lol
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01-29-2016 05:29 AM  3 years ago
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Just because someone registers does not make them sheep,, it just means they are try to do the RIGHT THING
if it baa's like a sheep then it's a sheep

As I said in a previous post: the 5$ token you gave to register even though it is refunded it shows that you are willing to put money where your mouth is in compliance with the FAA.
I registered and I don't really give a rat's ass about doing the "right thing". I just don't want to get in freakin' legal trouble.
so you only worry about yourself and don't give a rats ass about anyone else

This is the worst type of sheep. through government indoctrination look what has become of your freedom
nobody cares about anybody because they are scared to be punished

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01-29-2016 05:32 AM  3 years ago
Aaron29

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First. You are Canadian. Second, what's your plan? March on Washington over rc flying? Come on, man.
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01-29-2016 05:41 AM  3 years ago
ICUR1-2

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You're welcome to migrate
I have no agenda per say.
March on Washington over rc flying? Come on, man.
still don't understand? it is not about rc flying. it is not about losing rights and freedoms. it is not about you and me or the rest of the forum.

IT IS ABOUT A GOVERNMENT ENTITY TRYING MAKE NEW LAWS AND OVERSTEPPING THEIR BOUNDARIES.

LOOK AT YOUR COUNTRY ALPHABET SOUP OF AGENCIES THEY ARE MOSTLY CORRUPTED AND OVERSTEP THEMSELVES ON A REGULAR BASIS
YET AMERICANS COMPLAIN ABOUT IT AND NEVER DO ANYTHING TO CHANGE IT.
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01-29-2016 06:03 AM  3 years ago
billybob

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Again, to those who think they have to register... they don't.
This is not a law...YET. I repeat this is not a law ...YET. This is a regulation that the FAA has written without the approval of Congress. Until Congress makes it law AND enforces it for the hobbyist, you do not have to register no matter what the FAA says(Commercial is different).

Right now we are witnessing the process off a hostile take over of the AMA by the FAA. The AMA scam has gone for years. The AMA has siphoned money for as long as they have been around. Lets do the math. AMA says they have 188000 plus members and membership dues are 58 per year($58 x 188000) = $10,904,000 -what ever amount they pay to their insurance( and has now gone up to $75). Now consider that some members are life members and senior citizen members the total would a little less, but gives you an idea of the amount of money we are talking about. Now how many claims do think the AMA pays a year when you compare to an insurance company like say Farmers, Allstate or many others..estimate says an auto claim every 12 seconds in the country. AMA turns most claims to homeowner insurance or affiliate. This gives you an idea of how much money the AMA is actually sitting on and the FAA wants to get that action. With the media hyping the whole "Drone" thing and sensationalizing every little thing, the FAA has jumped on this opportunity. Hobbyists have been doing dumb stuff with there models for years but has only come to light because of the Drone thing. The AMA sends you colorful magazine each month and tells everyone how they are here to promote the hobby...AMA is self serving. If the AMA really wants to do something, take all that money hire lobbyists and have them wine and dine Congressmen to not pass the laws or spend it on lawyers to sue the FAA, thats what other organizations and corporations do.

This not about 5 dollars. This is about people falling in line when know one has asked to even form a line(other than the FAA which means nothing). Keep in mind when the time comes for Congress to make a decision, they will see these 188000 people not as modelers, but as voters and if they make a law that makes it hard or restrictive for people to enjoy their hobby you will have a lot of unhappy campers...Congress does not like that. Its going take something pretty major for Congress to act.

What we need is to find a Congress person who wants to fly FPV..I hear its quite addictive...LOL
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01-29-2016 09:39 AM  3 years ago
aceisback

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It may not be a law, but right now the FAA can do what they want until a judge or congress tells them they cannot, or until the first case goes to court.

At this point in time, registering is not an implication of supporting the FAA, it is simply complying and staying out of trouble should something happen. I would rather spend $5 now rather than spend thousands fighting the FAA in court because my model crashed and did damage or went down someplace it should not. I am not going to be the example to find out if the regulations are enforceable.

Until the courts or congress deem the FAA's action invalid, I will pay the $5 on Feb. 19th (unless some miracle happens before then).

I have said before that if someone who wants to outright defy the actions of the FAA, please test the waters for the rest of us so we can see what will really happen.

As of right now there is really no way for the FAA to really enforce the regs, but if one chooses to defy the regulation and gets caught flying unregistered, now the state and local government have something to model laws after. I think I would rather have this issue as it is right now at the federal level, rather than a state or local level which would most likely be in the eventual form of outright flying bans which appears to already be happening, and not because of what the FAA has done. Even if the FAA does back off, we have far more worries at the state and local levels now. If the $5 registration makes me legal at a federal level, I will take that option at this time.

Just because we as a whole believe the FAA is over stepping and are completely out of line does not invalidate the regulation. I am still waiting to hear responses from the congressmen and representatives that we have all written to. They don't care, and I doubt this issue will have any affect on the election outcome when it comes time to vote, as we are just a drop in the bucket of the voting population.
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01-29-2016 12:55 PM  3 years ago
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I have said before that if someone who wants to outright defy the actions of the FAA, please test the waters for the rest of us so we can see what will really happen.
BILLYBOB
O, by the way, went out flying today with my fleet of unregistered moels (2 quads,2 helis), flew at the field for a couple hours, cops driving by as usual.. he just waved and kept driving.
At this point in time, registering is not an implication of supporting the FAA, it is simply complying and staying out of trouble should something happen. I would rather spend $5 now rather than spend thousands fighting the FAA in court
being afraid of your government won't change things
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01-29-2016 01:10 PM  3 years ago
revmix

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2-19-2016 the joke is on whom?
Bad guys and stupid people are not going to register.
how is this to be comprehended?
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eventually the 'black sheep' will register too if want to play r/c worry free,
reg# does not affect hobby activity & no harm done with FAtag# to r/c-ers,
if for some reason the rule is overturned in 3 years then no hard feelings as free stuff
btw; yes [or no] is everyone's own choice
fyi; couldn't care less about personal remarks
ps; have fun flying r/c even with Certificate Holder#
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01-29-2016 10:03 PM  3 years ago
Zaneman007

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The FMRA ACT of 2012
and I quote a line from the LAW:

"the Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration may not promulgate any rule or regulation regarding a model aircraft,..."

I don't know why the AMA isn't go after these guys? 188,000 members times a $75 annual fee equals $14.1 million annual revenue. What the heck are you guys at the AMA doing with our money? The AMA should not be working with these guys. They should be shutting them down. I guess the guys at the FAA are watching the guys at the VA hospitals. Thinking, if the VA can run a hospital without actually seeing patients, and pay out $140.0 million in bonuses. We aught to be able to do whatever we want to do. Not like we can get fired?

I'm going to abide by the law, the FMRA ACT of 2012. The FAA has no jurisdiction over model aircraft. See print in bold, above.

What I'm NOT going to do is follow some obviously pompous @ss at the FAA, who has no regard for the law. Writing a formal paper on his interpretation of the law doesn't change the law. Yet, the FAA is attempting to promulgate regulation, in the form of registration, regarding model aircraft. The fact is the FAA has nothing to do with me or this hobby.

Who is going to enforce this? I don't see any law enforcement agencies who are going to knowingly violate the law, just because the FAA says so?

I'd like to see an employee of the FAA walk out to a local fly field and ask for registration certificates? Talk about the FAA committing anarchy. If they do, call the local police, and have them thrown off the property for trespassing. Keep a copy of the law The FMRA Act of 2012 sec 336 with you if it makes you feel better.
if someone who wants to outright defy the actions of the FAA, please test the waters for the rest of us so we can see what will really happen.
The FAA's registration is no more than an informal request. I have posted an excerpt of the law above and all of FMRA sec. 336 in another post.

From some of the posts, it looks like I have to ask.... "What part of the law highlighted in bold above is not clear or obvious?."

On the other hand if you want to register, there is no law against it.
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01-29-2016 10:42 PM  3 years ago
thtoyman

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so If its not a law. Why don't the AMA lawyers step up and say so?
Who is helping who here?
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01-30-2016 02:32 AM  3 years ago
elmobad

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Ama membership is 187,999 and iam sure it's going to drop. There not getting my $75 that's after being a member for 15+ years.
Why don't the AMA lawyers step up and say so?
For some reason there sleeping with the enemy.
Who is helping who here?
The answer is in your mirror, plus a whole cummuinty of like minded rc pilots. Focused on our interests, not that of the "false safety" of this a$$ backwards government.
GOT FBL?
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01-30-2016 03:11 AM  3 years ago
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https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourcei...itary+excercise
OR
https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourcei...xercise&tbm=vid
I'll bet 20$ this why the new upcoming regulations
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01-30-2016 05:49 AM  3 years ago
HeimD

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The answer is in your mirror, plus a whole cummuinty of like minded rc pilots.
What, like Brazzers or something?
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01-30-2016 06:08 AM  3 years ago
aceisback

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being afraid of your government won't change things
It's not about being afraid, it is about doing what you have to do until the courts or congress say otherwise. Keyboard lawyers are not the ones deciding the outcome of any incidents, and it is not worth the risk to defy the actions because keyboard lawyers say the FAA can't enforce the law.

No support from congress as of yet, so who is going to tell the FAA the regulations are not enforceable.
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01-30-2016 06:19 AM  3 years ago
aceisback

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Again, to those who think they have to register... they don't.
This is not a law...YET. I repeat this is not a law ...YET. This is a regulation that the FAA has written without the approval of Congress. Until Congress makes it law AND enforces it for the hobbyist, you do not have to register no matter what the FAA says(Commercial is different).
You willing to put up the money for the legal fess for the first person who gets caught up in this mess? Easy for people to say we don't have to register, but what makes you and the others the expert on this? Can you guarantee the FAA can't enforce this? No, only the courts can.

Congress may just end up agreeing with the FAA. Congress is not interested in protecting our hobby when it comes to the so-called safety issues the media and other political members have made all this out to be. If congress does not step up and defend 336, then we are screwed.

We need to see real action on this, and AMA alone cannot fight this. Many have written several politicians, how many responses back supporting our cause? I have asked this several times across different forums, and no one has reported a positive response for action from anyone.
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01-30-2016 08:06 AM  3 years ago
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I have not and will not register. Just the simple fact that a ultralight aircraft doesnt have to be registered in areas that a rc toy has to be registered and with maximum fines and jail time higher than that of capital crimes which is enough unjustifyable regulation that I can not take part of.
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