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01-09-2016 06:31 PM  4 years ago
revmix

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mockery
by my estimation is 400'.
in fact you agree with faa.gov registration altitude clause
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01-09-2016 06:42 PM  4 years ago
TMoore

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Actually no, as an AMA member I'm allowed to exceed 400'.Part 107.
The only ZERO flight hour certificate in the world.
It's like getting a driver's license without the driver's test.
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01-09-2016 06:50 PM  4 years ago
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Actually
modelaircraft.org doesn't issue free ride for r/c players so you're on your own within self AGL estimation regarding un/registering
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01-09-2016 07:01 PM  4 years ago
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Why don't you tell them that Rev. Fact is there are benefits to being an AMA member as opposed to just being an FAA registrant. As an AMA member I get to fly models over 400' AGL, faster than 100 mph and turbine powered. Drop your AMA membership anytime.Part 107.
The only ZERO flight hour certificate in the world.
It's like getting a driver's license without the driver's test.
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01-09-2016 07:20 PM  4 years ago
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turbine waiver is not a must by 336, only weight limitation 55lbs & no speed restriction as airspeed indicator is not required on model r/c
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01-09-2016 07:39 PM  4 years ago
TMoore

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AMA clarified to me that FAA registration does not allow turbine power, over 100mph flight and over 400' agl. Argue with AMA.Part 107.
The only ZERO flight hour certificate in the world.
It's like getting a driver's license without the driver's test.
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01-09-2016 10:59 PM  4 years ago
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just created account, will accept before 21st
you could follow modelaircraft.org
the real deal is this; does not mention velocity nor turbine/nitro/gas/electric
I tinker with all; micro [nano 5.8ghz too ] to 850mm

Acknowledgement of Safety Guidance
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will fly below 400 feet
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will fly within visual line of sight
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will be aware of FAA airspace requirements: http://www.faa.gov/go/uastfr
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will not fly directly over people
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will not fly over stadiums and sports events
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will not fly near emergency response efforts such as fires
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will not fly near aircraft, especially near airports
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will not fly under the influence
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01-09-2016 11:55 PM  4 years ago
TMoore

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http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/105.pdf

If you follow the FAA guidelines there are no turbines, no DS soaring, no pylon racing, no control line speed, no glider flying and no EDF models or any model that is capable of 100 mph plus.

Not happening.
Part 107.
The only ZERO flight hour certificate in the world.
It's like getting a driver's license without the driver's test.
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01-10-2016 12:12 AM  4 years ago
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not model/drone but sUAS is the word for expert hobbyist/s
Not happening.
see above
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01-10-2016 01:30 AM  4 years ago
TMoore

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sUAS=FAA BS and a complete non understanding of modeling in general and Radio Control specifically.

Take the definition of System.

System:.....a set of connected things or parts forming a complex whole, in particular.

A complex whole, in particular is the key phrase here. Any idiot can let a GPS enabled aerial appliance off the chain, send it off and if within range will RTH. That's a system, therefore a complex whole. Therefore sUAS = Idiot.

A model on the other hand isn't anything, it's not a sUAS because it's not a system of any kind. No modeler no system. It doesn't fly unless someone of experience and intelligence builds, trims and flies it. Therefore Model = architect of flight and advanced operations.

sUAS = BS Government definition of nonsense, therefore Idiot.

Definition of Idiot here:

https://www.google.com/search?sclie...526.BBb7sxd-t80

Do you really want to associate and denigrate our hobby of model aircraft to the level of something that can be purchased and flown in the time it takes to charge a battery pack? I submit that sUAS = Hoverboard operator. Same type of mentality.
Part 107.
The only ZERO flight hour certificate in the world.
It's like getting a driver's license without the driver's test.
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01-10-2016 03:04 AM  4 years ago
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Well said TMOORE...I dream of a better world, A world where a chicken's crossing a road IS NOT questioned
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01-10-2016 03:53 AM  4 years ago
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as airframe + electronics with radio/remote control & r/c player
Therefore Model =
some Unmanned Aircraft hobby System
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01-10-2016 03:51 PM  4 years ago
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AMA clarified to me that FAA registration does not allow turbine power, over 100mph flight and over 400' agl. Argue with AMA.
if there's a contest from faa they're in for a challenge, those guys have backing in many places.

I thought about something just like TMoore, when a uas is comp flown using gps way-point it's only a "ground crew" member, idiot or otherwise who just has to program the points and press a button to start go, they're not actually flying anything physically= LOOP HOLE. Begs the question, can you actually be piloting an aircraft if you are not in it, yes however remotely (remote control is not piloting is it? semantics really)

Take a look at the "drones" of the future, rather "systems" of the future here now,

Watch at YouTube

The faa says everyone flying a drone/uas/uav/model is an "Aviator", not so, they are merely ground crew because they never leave the ground (kind of silly sure but). Then there's the idea that rc aircraft is a "System", not unless it is equipped with various outboard attachments making it a conglomeration of many functions= SYSTEM. It is not intentional to dissect the rc craft into its constituent parts and term it a "system" when the sum of all its parts make it one whole MODEL. Want to stretch that just take a tire, rim, air valve, tread, balance weight, lugs, you get the idea, since when is that EVER called a system? Is an automobile a "system"? is a servo a "SYSTEM"?

A model cannot be a "vehicle" as it doesn't go anywhere and doesn't transport anyone or thing from one point to another, in the rc modelers world that is.

One thing I learned from a visit to a motorcycle show in town this weekend when talking to glider pilots displaying a German made fs glider. There were three pilots of varying ages , two were more than 65 and one was about 30yrs old. I talked to the old guys first and eventually was met with disdain when I began to speak of helis and on to ufo tech (uhuh, they quickly got rid of me by walking away saying I wasn not interested in glider lessons, ha). Before I departed the booth area I met with the young guy (clean cut and healthy) and when it came time to dive into new age aircraft he was completely receptive listening to the final minute of my earlier attempted conversations with the two old blokes. Lesson learned? you can't pour new wine into old wineskins (they are jealous inside that the tech won't be in their lifetimes=missing out). The new generation has embraced new technologies faster than you can sneeze and or fart and they are LEAVING THE OLD GEEZERS BEHIND. Who runs the faa? two and two makes?
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01-10-2016 04:26 PM  4 years ago
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01-10-2016 05:00 PM  4 years ago
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By any engineering definition our models containing more than one part designed to work together to accomplish a job are indeed systems. Your argument also trips itself up given the need for a ground based and separate transmitter to make them functional. I'd also argue that to the extent they resemble vehicles designed to carry things makes them indeed vehicles. At any rate I'm not sure what the point of claiming they aren't is?

"RC pilots are not aviators"? As you say semantics. What is so bad about RC pilots viewing themselves as aviators if doing so causes them to consider the serious nature of the venture and adopt best practices of full scale to try and make our activities as safe as they can be? It's true we don't assume the same personal risk when we fly that full scale does but I argue that claiming RC people are not pilots or aviators is a claim often made by full scale pilots interested in elevating themselves usually for rather suspect motives. When I fly the Airbus at work am I "less than" the guys who strapped themselves into North American's X-15 and blasted into sub orbit? Sure I'll play. But I have to ask what's your point?

The attack on old guys in general is without merit. It's an often used ad hominem attack that seeks to denigrate another's argument based solely on a personal attribute. It has no more merit than statements along the lines of "ALL multi FPV guys are irresponsible and selfish" "All of today's youth are spoiled and entitled narcissists" It's motivation is to divide people. The fact that some members of a given population exhibit certain traits does not give us the right to indict all. Doing so destroys your credibility.
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01-10-2016 05:07 PM  4 years ago
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FPV contradiction
FPV guys are irresponsible and selfish
9.Visual Line of Sight is required by the Safety Code. It means that visual contact with the aircraft must be maintained without enhancement other than by corrective lenses prescribed for the model aircraft pilot. All RC flying must remain clear of clouds smoke or any other obstruction to the line of sight.

http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/540-D.pdf

Any More Anal?
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01-10-2016 05:32 PM  4 years ago
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RC pilots viewing themselves as aviators if doing so causes them to consider the serious nature of the venture and adopt best practices of full scale to try and make our activities as safe as they can be?
thanks you for that, well said and timely. As one who stood below an incoming passenger jet passing within 100ft above me last night I know what threat an rc craft of any sort would pose to be within its airspace, two and two. Awesome to some, deadly threat to another, two sides of everything.

The point of young and old is that you are very much correct in saying the young are spoiled. You know that saying spare the rod spoil the child? Anyone out of control and reason of any age would need schooling in respect towards life and possession so there MUST be limitations if they have demonstrated venturing beyond limits of good stewardship, piloting out of bounds regardless of where control by offending craft may originate. The young one's are eager beyond zones of safety, the older hindered by reservation due to experience. Even though they show kids a cop parking pound with vehicles that even killed someone young drivers still don't slow down in the heat of the moment and may get away with tempting fate a few times before waking up, thrown in jail/fined, or being cut up or not waking up at all. These aircraft can have their similarities when venturing into public space, faa airspace now. In controlled club airspace there was never an issue, why now and with such extensive restrictions?

Maybe the upside to registering is getting involved in rule making with the higher ups, getting the opportunity to voice concerns and reservations and being involved in pro-active self governing aerial rc craft interests of all kind.

All in favor of the faa publishing a quarterly on rc aicraft say EYE (as in eye of the storm, eye of the beholder, punch in the ,,,'cetera, eyiyiyiyi, lol).
The fact that some members of a given population exhibit certain traits does not give us the right to indict all.
exactly
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01-15-2016 06:36 PM  4 years ago
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AMA's new motto; "Sorry folks, but we have to comply with the FAA"
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01-15-2016 07:50 PM  4 years ago
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SOOOOOO.......Once again.......Who's not registering?Bill Whittaker
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01-15-2016 08:23 PM  4 years ago
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I will not be registering.
It will be a very cold day in Hell before a register.
GOT FBL?
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