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01-07-2016 01:23 AM  4 years ago
TMoore

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Read the weight spec again. There is nothing in the weight spec that says ready to fly.
•Weighs more than 0.55 lbs. (250 g) and less than 55 lbs. (25 kg).
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3019...it-181-000.html

This document is wide open to interpretation.

https://www.faa.gov/uas/registratio...egistration.pdf
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The only ZERO flight hour certificate in the world.
It's like getting a driver's license without the driver's test.
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01-07-2016 05:37 AM  4 years ago
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splitting hairs - hope the local LEO don't have to get bogged down with enforcing anything related to this size aircraft.
yeah, they're all equipped with a scale and gonna take your birdee and weigh it to make sure you weren't doing 80 in a 55mph zone, err, a few grams over, or was that a few lbs, same difference, a few is a a lot less than a lot, flex.

336 says all one has to do is put their name and address on the toy and act within community standards as a modeler, what's so difficult about that?
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01-07-2016 05:46 AM  4 years ago
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336 says all one has to do is put their name and address on the toy and act within community standards as a modeler, what's so difficult about that?

THANK YOU icanfly !!!!
I dream of a better world, A world where a chicken's crossing a road IS NOT questioned
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01-07-2016 01:15 PM  4 years ago
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twisted model
no mention about toy by 336
btw; toys for boys
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01-07-2016 01:58 PM  4 years ago
icanfly

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toy as in model. The community would see a model as nothing but a toy really.

Now, as I was investigating the words uas, system, vehicle, aviator, to see if the faa terms could apply accurately to a model aircraft I found this,

http://uas.trimble.com/faa-exemption

makes you wonder who has been stoking the fires of this new regulatory rule the faa came up with. Check out the sites main page also and count in your imagination how many other operations have popped up in only the past year or so, hundreds? with how many aerial appliances possibly in total? a thousand? plus all the leisure level enthusiasts, another ten thousand? and newcomers speculated in the tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands? a whole lot more than only a couple of years ago and multis all bought camera equipped and rtf out of the box, and the hobby rc helis get lumped in with it all, sucks big time. swarmed.

The faa regs could be seen as an attack on hobbyists former freedoms when I strongly believe they put the new system into place to streamline uas/uav registration and in so doing generalized all rc craft utilizing below 400ft airspace as uav/uas in nature.
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01-07-2016 06:13 PM  4 years ago
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gotcha
as uav/uas in nature.
336 does state model~unmanned a/c
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01-08-2016 07:48 PM  4 years ago
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What the dif. in a rule or a law
Faa saying rule. but by part 336, Faa can't make laws. So what is the dif?
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01-08-2016 08:19 PM  4 years ago
revmix

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slick
So what is the dif?
registering the r/c player & not the model a/c, the 336 (1-5) operation itself has not been altered at all by faa.gov
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01-08-2016 08:29 PM  4 years ago
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"the 336 (1-5) operation itself has not been altered at all by faa.gov"
and My dear revmix that is why I'll not be registering myself or my model aircraft...
I dream of a better world, A world where a chicken's crossing a road IS NOT questioned
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01-08-2016 08:44 PM  4 years ago
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may not promulgate any rule or regulation regarding a model aircraft or an aircraft being developed
336 is about the operation of model & not the r/c player, so registering ain't against (a) (1-5) & (c)(1-2)
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01-08-2016 09:10 PM  4 years ago
1helimech

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the pilot IS part of the model operation...Revmix kinda like a firearm it will not work as a system without a person operating it...Yes when flying a MODEL AIRCRAFT I'm a part of said system....I dream of a better world, A world where a chicken's crossing a road IS NOT questioned
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01-08-2016 09:24 PM  4 years ago
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yeah, but the operator has to obey general aviation rule/law,
see, 336 does not specify the operator, a monkey could be the one
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01-09-2016 12:14 AM  4 years ago
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Only if the monkey has a CC and is also willing to except the fact that it can stand the loss of the five dollar registration fee that is equal to 8.474576271 Lbs. of bananas @ wallie world ......

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01-09-2016 02:37 AM  4 years ago
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http://www.dailydot.com/politics/fa...ration-lawsuit/Part 107.
The only ZERO flight hour certificate in the world.
It's like getting a driver's license without the driver's test.
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01-09-2016 04:25 AM  4 years ago
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Read the weight spec again. There is nothing in the weight spec that says ready to fly.
Wrong. The weight includes everything "on takeoff" which would include batteries, fuel, etc. That means "ready to fly". Read the official FAA rule.

"Unmanned aircraft weighing less than 55 pounds and more than 0.55 pounds (250 grams) on takeoff, including everything that is on board or otherwise attached to the aircraft and operated outdoors in the national airspace system must register."

https://www.federalregister.gov/art...manned-aircraft
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01-09-2016 06:12 AM  4 years ago
TMoore

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Interim Final Rule means that it is not quite settled yet and there is a period of post adoption public comment and then another rewrite as per the abstract below. The weight limits may not be settled yet.
Abstract:

Interim-final rules are binding norms federal agencies adopt and make immediately effective without inviting prior public comment on a rulemaking proposal. The Administrative Procedure Act ordinarily requires the use of notice and comment procedures to adopt legislative rules, but agencies justify omitting the pre-adoption comment period by invoking the impracticability or public interest prongs of the APA's good cause exception to this requirement. An agency following this route may invite post-adoption comment on the rule, and then readopt it in final form after taking account of the public comments. Agencies use this methodology between 300 and 400 times each year. The paper makes an empirical examination of the frequency of use of interim-final rules and inquires why they are so commonly used. It analyzes legal problems arising out of their use (particularly problems arising out of the conjunction of the APA and other statutes constraining rulemaking procedure like the Regulatory Flexibility Act) and makes some policy recommendations. The article updates a consultant's report to the former Administrative Conference of the United States, that led to the adoption of ACUS Recommendation 95-4.
Part 107.
The only ZERO flight hour certificate in the world.
It's like getting a driver's license without the driver's test.
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01-09-2016 01:33 PM  4 years ago
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Interim Final Rule means that it is not quite settled yet and there is a period of post adoption public comment and then another rewrite as per the abstract below. The weight limits may not be settled yet.
Possibly. But, one has to go by what the rules say NOW instead of spreading what you "think" may be correct (which isn't) concerning "ready to fly" weight.
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01-09-2016 05:53 PM  4 years ago
TMoore

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I'm not registered and as far as I'm concerned won't be until I have to, so AMA rules are what I'm going by. Besides, I fly on my own land.Part 107.
The only ZERO flight hour certificate in the world.
It's like getting a driver's license without the driver's test.
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01-09-2016 06:04 PM  4 years ago
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mock
Besides
NAS tho'
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01-09-2016 06:21 PM  4 years ago
TMoore

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mock

Besides
NAS tho'
Actually that is up for contention as I have read that while it may be part of the NAS I still have control to large extent over the airspace up to a certain height. I get to own as much of it as I can use which by my estimation is 400'.

http://aviation.uslegal.com/ownersh...-over-property/

http://www.dummies.com/how-to/conte...f-airspace.html
Part 107.
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It's like getting a driver's license without the driver's test.
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