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12-11-2015 06:47 PM  33 months agoPost 1
flycatch

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Being a fixed wing pilot I though flying a helicopter would be easy and that assumption could be further than the truth. After many costly accidents and no assistance I came across a book written by Ray Hostetler entitled "Shop and Field Companion". This books takes your from building to flying an RC model helicopter. I believe without this written assistance I would have given up.
The subject of landing was briefly discussed however it did explain how to achieve a controlled landing almost identical to a fixed wing model. Now with that said why is this topic not discussed in this forum or others. Takeoff is optional but landing is mandatory is it not.

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12-11-2015 07:09 PM  33 months agoPost 2
Rafael23cc

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Once you have Hovering down, landing is a piece of cake. Now if you are talking about an approach for landing like the full scale do, that's another story. Very few of us bother ourselves with that.

As a side note, did you try RC fixed wing before making the "assumption"? That would have given you a clue as to the veracity of your assumption.

I started in RC both fixed wing and helicopters and now I'm working on my private ticket. I have also taught a pilot or two to fly RC. It is a lot easier to go from the ground to the cockpit than to go from the cockpit to the ground.

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12-12-2015 06:27 AM  33 months agoPost 3
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I guess you did not read my post correctly about me being proficient in fixed wing models. You stated in your reply that if you can hover your helicopter than landing is no problem. That remark has nothing to do with transitioning out of forward flight and back into a hover.

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12-12-2015 07:33 AM  33 months agoPost 4
Heli Fanatix

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To be fair, there are so many ways to land. Ray's series of RC Heli is quite informative and walks you through many fundamental basics. With that being said, a lot of basics are skipped b/c we are not learning it's natural progression at the flying field or it is self taught. Sometimes you are only as good as your machine. But when starting out, it's a tough dilemma, b/c you are new to the hobby let alone very knowledgable about your bird. Catch 21. I suppose this is where we get someone that is a veteran to check and buddy box us.

I'm sure what the second poster is referring to is that when people are learning to fly an RC Heli, you start from a stationary hover and keep in one place and land vertically (all while being tail in). But yes, landing is an art within itself and most don't think too much about it.

I was the same as you, when first hovering with a FB Trex 500. There were so many things to contend with:
- Transitional lift
- Ground effects
- Your simple autorotation from 1'-2' off the deck and ease her down
- nose down 20 degrees so the tail don't get stripped from tail blades touching the ground

Regarding controlled landing, I suppose there are some parts we can adapt from fixed wing to heli. such as:
- the approach
- favorably upwind
- establish a landing pattern so we are familiar and comfortable
- the slope or angle of the descent
- this carries a bit of momentum

and some parts that it's just for heli
- flaring and setting the heli down, such as an autorotation

The fist part is what I refer to as an airplane auto. But I can see where other pilots would just go from forward flight to a stop and just descend vertically. I think that was the 2nd poster's thought if i'm not mistaken.

Thank goodness for the Finless Bob and few other informative videos.

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12-12-2015 11:53 AM  33 months agoPost 5
Pistol Pete

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Chapter 10

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12-12-2015 12:25 PM  33 months agoPost 6
dc8capt

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Good subject. When I first started flying forward flight most of my crashes occurred during landing transition. Was watching some pros flying one day and noticed most of them always landed tail in. I started doing this and landings got much easier. I still always land this way.

Learning to fly again.

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12-12-2015 04:44 PM  33 months agoPost 7
flycatch

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Pistol Pete, thanks for the posting and it appears there are two types of landing. One from a hover and the other airplane style.

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12-12-2015 05:18 PM  33 months agoPost 8
Steve Graham

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Also pretty sure if you spend some time poking around you'll find threads talking about transition from FF to hover and landing. I believe the disc loading and excess thrust of most models as compared to full scale nearly does away with some of the concerns they face

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12-13-2015 12:58 AM  33 months agoPost 9
don s

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Unless your heli has wheels, I wouldn't make running landings the norm.

(I'm referring to R/C helis of course)

E820, Raptor G4N, X50F/E, E620, Forza 450, and some planks.

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12-13-2015 01:25 AM  33 months agoPost 10
Jason Cummings

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Unless your heli has wheels, I wouldn't make running landings the norm.
Sliding autos are fun!

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12-13-2015 01:39 AM  33 months agoPost 11
don s

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Sliding autos are fun!
No doubt, just more risky.

E820, Raptor G4N, X50F/E, E620, Forza 450, and some planks.

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12-13-2015 04:49 AM  33 months agoPost 12
doorman

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Full Approach Landing
I like to land by using a full approach...
I think the easiest way to practice this would be to set up a straight line from right or left (whichever is more comfy)
Then begin making passes on that line.. maybe start at about 20' and make each pass lower.. try holding that line, and as you begin to get near your landing area, start to slow the ff down.. next approach, do the same thing only lower, until you can fly flat and slow to your desired landing pad... slow the heli to a stop, and set it down... it's just practice and more practice..
Hope this wl help you out..
Stan

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12-14-2015 09:58 PM  33 months agoPost 13
Rafael23cc

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flycatch
I guess you did not read my post correctly about me being proficient in fixed wing models. You stated in your reply that if you can hover your helicopter than landing is no problem. That remark has nothing to do with transitioning out of forward flight and back into a hover.
I read your original post several times already. I see nothing that would make me answer your question differently. And if you follow the thread, the additional people did not reply until you added more information based on MY REPLY for them to finally guess what was your question.

My answer was based in the fact that NOBODY hovers in one spot right off the bat. they end up going all over the place. This is in fact transition to forward, backward, and sideways flight. I actually learned this BEFORE i learned to hover.

Learning to hover is the first thing you need to learn. As you progress, you will understand what effort it takes to disturb a helicopter from hovering. This is in fact, when controlled, a transition to forward flight.

When I've taught new helicopter pilots, I never had to explain this portion to them. It becomes second nature from the hovering and controlling the drift while hovering.
Jason Cummings
Sliding autos are fun!
And yes, sliding landings are a lot of fun. I have the ground down skids to prove it.

Rafael

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