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12-09-2015 11:48 PM  33 months agoPost 1
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Who knows the proper chemical extinguisher to
put out LITHIUM Battery fires?

ABC Rated?

C Rated?

Water, no...

Hoverboard fires are hittin hard this Christmas!

Just askin...

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12-10-2015 12:56 AM  33 months agoPost 2
gologo

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Ask Ron w. Mikado, I know he is/was.

Curious myself; have read about them before but don't remember. Don't think
the ABC will do it.

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12-10-2015 02:12 AM  33 months agoPost 3
Blax1

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As its an electrical fire
C02 so long as its not too windy outdoors(less messy)
or Dry Chem same deal can get blown away by wind(very messy)
However Lithium will try and keep reigniting, so stay up wind and try to keep fire contained (don't breath any fumes in)

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12-10-2015 02:57 AM  33 months agoPost 4
rcflyerheli

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Just a guess, but I don't think a lithium fire can be put out, as the lithium itself reacts with oxygen and self combusts. Maybe a foam that prevents the lithium chemical from getting oxygen, but other than that I don't really know.

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12-10-2015 04:53 AM  33 months agoPost 5
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I would use co2 halon or abc but first two are hard to use outdoors. Since I think we're talking indoors I say abc as last very messy n don't want to breathe in any of the three listed. And you don't want to be inhaling lithium / electrolyte fumes either. I say best method is charge in a big cast iron pot if it goes then disconnect leads n get the pot outside n let it cook off. Watch from a distance up wind.

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12-10-2015 05:00 AM  33 months agoPost 6
gologo

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Jeep, I think he is talking more about those 'hoverboards', which I have
been seeing recalls on too. For that very reason!

But yeah, think I would be charging those outside for sure......and keeping
them outside.....

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12-10-2015 03:13 PM  33 months agoPost 7
junkpilot

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fire extinguisher
Hasn't Halon been outlawed since 2000 ? Halon has very similar
characteristics to R-12 regarding it's reaction to Ozone.
Halon was outlawed in 1991 at the meeting adopting the Montreal Protocol.
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12-10-2015 09:03 PM  33 months agoPost 8
JEEPWORLD2002/2

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Fm200
Or aero k

http://www.fireprosystems.co.uk/pdfs/Data/AERO-K.PDF

http://www.firesuppression.co.uk/fi...rver-rooms.aspx

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12-11-2015 03:54 PM  33 months agoPost 9
Ronald Thomas

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The problem with Lithium batteries is that they produce their own oxygen as they burn, and oxidizer. You have to break that chemical reaction to put them out (they will continue to react under water). Halon is great BUT is VERY dangerous to humans as it vacates O2 and replaces it with the gas. If that happens in your lungs and you can't exchange O2......
CO2 does the same thing (vacates O2) but won't kill you. Dry chem extinguishers or purple K ones will break that chain reaction as well but they work best for grease fires and such.
My personal choice would be CO2...Halon is also very expensive....Ron

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12-11-2015 09:53 PM  33 months agoPost 10
tadawson

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Uh, false on the Halon . . . halon 1301, stops combustion at about a 2% concentration IIRC, and poses no threat to humans. It does *NOT* displace oxygen - it chemically interrupts combustion, and is otherwise pretty much inert . . (I used to design cellphone sites when the carriers actually cared, and this was typiclly installed, so am quite familiar with it

http://www.hazard.com/msds/f2/bpv/bpvrs.html

Note no ill effect until 10%, which is orders of magnitude abive normal useage. Heck, this stuff can even stop a grain elevator explosion after it has started . . .

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12-12-2015 03:35 AM  33 months agoPost 11
Jim Cimino

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Halon is/was the recommended fire extinguisher for the cockpit of aircraft. Much easier on the lungs than dry chemical.

http://www.h3rcleanagents.com/support_faq_2.htm

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12-12-2015 03:52 AM  33 months agoPost 12
Ronald Thomas

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Quick facts about Halon:
http://www.answers.com/Q/What_are_t...e_extinguishers

Halon does displace oxygen and will cause nervous system and cardiovascular system damage in high dies...IE an extinguisher used in close quarters...

Jim, that site you listed has facts created by the people who sell Halon...of course it is safe to them

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12-12-2015 03:57 AM  33 months agoPost 13
Ronald Thomas

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And if you want the report from the NIST
http://www.nist.gov/el/fire_researc...ad/R0000211.pdf

Over 4.0% concentration for 5 min and you have lasting affects. 10% and you will lose consciousness....above that

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12-12-2015 08:21 PM  33 months agoPost 14
tadawson

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Make sure you are looking at the correct halon - for 1301, that is absolutely false . . .

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12-15-2015 08:14 PM  33 months agoPost 15
junkpilot

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Halon
For the purpose of education I think everyone that reads the post on Halon should Also look on Wikipedia for Halon.
I did not see any friendly Halons.
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12-15-2015 08:43 PM  33 months agoPost 16
rcflyerheli

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What I have seen is the lithium is so reactive with oxygen, that even if you put it out using an extinguisher, the lithium chemical will react again with oxygen after the extinguishing agent dissipates and reignites itself.

I don't recall the exact mechanism that was very similar on the T-38 when I was in pilot training many years ago, but I do recall that the belly of the 38 was made out of Magnesium, and if we couldn't get the gear down, an ejection was required, because the landing would ignite the Magnesium and it couldn't be put out.

That's the problem with the use of exotic materials. If they are not treated with care they can do bad things.

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