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12-09-2015 02:28 PM  33 months agoPost 1
shawmcky

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http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-po...ut-isis-motives

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12-09-2015 06:53 PM  33 months agoPost 2
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BULL$hit...
It’s about the timing. How are you going to get the United States, France and other major powers to truly abandon and withdraw from the Persian Gulf when they have such a large interest in oil? A single attack isn’t going to do it. Bin Laden did 9/11 hoping that it would suck a large American ground army into Afghanistan, which would help recruit a large number of suicide attackers to punish America for intervening. We didn’t do that – we used very limited military force in Afghanistan. But what Bin Laden didn’t count on was that we would send a large ground army into Iraq to knock Saddam out. And that turned out to be the most potent recruiting ground for anti-American terrorists that ever was, more so than Bin Laden had ever hoped for in his wildest dreams.

So if your goal is to create military costs on these states and get them to withdraw, you’ve got to figure out a way to really up the ante. And the way that you really up the ante is to get them to overreact. You try to get them to send a large ground army in so that you can truly drive up the costs. That’s what ISIS is trying to sucker us into doing.
being there and having delt with these a-holes on numerous occasions...its not about getting us outta there... we left already, remember, and the result? ISIS? for what to bring us back in?

their goal is not military intervention...

the problem is that the leaders of ISIS, many of which are ex-iraqi commanders or high ranking gov officials that USED to have alot of money and power when Saddam was in power... now they have nothing coming in from the people they used to steal from or the imports and exports they skimmed from, so they formed their own "mafia" and began stealing from the locals, and making demands...all so they can get paid, have sex slaves and get drunk..., the dumba$$es at the bottom are brain washed into thinking they are going to get "72 virgins" and told of their rewards (by those at the top no less)...that come only after a valiant death...but those at the top, their goals are the usual western wants, money sex and power... the ones at the top dont get their hands dirty.

its all about money sex and power, always has been, always will be...its the technique used by those at the top thats different.

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12-09-2015 07:51 PM  33 months agoPost 3
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Good post RM3

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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12-10-2015 04:08 AM  33 months agoPost 4
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Nah nah y'all got it wrong. ISIS is motivated by global warming.

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12-10-2015 05:19 AM  33 months agoPost 5
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They are not.

It's global cooling.

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12-10-2015 06:20 AM  33 months agoPost 6
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...internet porn.

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12-10-2015 07:00 AM  33 months agoPost 7
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Yeah if they had it they'd probably stop fighting.

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12-10-2015 10:11 AM  33 months agoPost 8
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More bull$hit from that know all Robert A Pape!
http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/...rrorism-studies

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12-10-2015 01:26 PM  33 months agoPost 9
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It’s about the timing. How are you going to get the United States, France and other major powers to truly abandon and withdraw from the Persian Gulf when they have such a large interest in oil? A single attack isn’t going to do it. Bin Laden did 9/11 hoping that it would suck a large American ground army into Afghanistan, which would help recruit a large number of suicide attackers to punish America for intervening. We didn’t do that – we used very limited military force in Afghanistan. But what Bin Laden didn’t count on was that we would send a large ground army into Iraq to knock Saddam out. And that turned out to be the most potent recruiting ground for anti-American terrorists that ever was, more so than Bin Laden had ever hoped for in his wildest dreams.
So if your goal is to create military costs on these states and get them to withdraw, you’ve got to figure out a way to really up the ante. And the way that you really up the ante is to get them to overreact. You try to get them to send a large ground army in so that you can truly drive up the costs. That’s what ISIS is trying to sucker us into doing.
This is like saying that we should have lost WW2 so that the Axis powers wouldn't hate us!
What a dumba$$!

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12-10-2015 01:54 PM  33 months agoPost 10
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More bull$hit from that know all Pape!Who does he think he is?

Watch at YouTube

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12-10-2015 03:07 PM  33 months agoPost 11
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Where are the muslim demonstrators against the slaughter in California?

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12-10-2015 04:10 PM  33 months agoPost 12
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evolution rules & wins
true in every sense, even in religion; the latest one shall take over [pagan, old & new testament, koran]

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12-10-2015 04:12 PM  33 months agoPost 13
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Where are the muslim demonstrators against the slaughter in California?
In fairness, Muslims raised $170K for the San Bernardino victims families. Sure, it can't replace them, but it does show some sacrifice, love, and solidarity from the Muslim community.

Doesn't make good TV, though.

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12-10-2015 04:31 PM  33 months agoPost 14
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so 170,000 for 14 dead people, and 21 wounded...

I call that a token offering

considering a funeral costs about 10,000 and the medical bills of the wounded will be into the thousands for each (some more some less)... they are still way way in the red for reparations if they wana play that one... how about 10million for each dead and 5 million for each surviving victim? you can take it out of the money going to Iran for starters, or better yet bill each of the mosques in the area... that little a-hole kid that brought the clock to school is doing it against the US...

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12-10-2015 04:37 PM  33 months agoPost 15
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Iran for starters
has nothing to do with this,
how about the friendly S.A.; being the center of both religion & one of the terrorists

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12-10-2015 04:43 PM  33 months agoPost 16
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RM3 no price could replace this loss. But the community is showing who it supports by doing this. I'm refuting the idea that the entire Muslim community secretly supports terrorism. And the people saying "see look they are silent" ignore that they are a relatively small group and this outpouring of support shows they have empathy for what occurred.

Everyone is always asking for overtures from the Muslim community after a terrorist does something. It's hardly fair, but they are demanded nonetheless. Well, here's one example of the community showing it's position. But again, doesn't make good TV. Easier to demonize an entire class of people.

Asking the entire Muslim community to pay reparations for terrorist actions is akin to asking uninvolved whites to pay reparations for slavery. Or for all cops to pay for the ones that shoot a guy in the back. Or for all blacks to pay for the crime of one. This is BS. Evil is done by evil people. Extracting recompense from the uninvolved isn't fair.

Did you know there are Christian terrorist organizations? They are clearly misguided, and do not understand the Word. However, this makes no difference if we want to look in the mirror. If one of these organizations were to attack, would you feel compelled to make Christians apologize on their behalf? Or donate money? See the problem?

Still, this "token" as you call it is at least a message that they don't support the terrorists. It's not an admission of guilt or involvement. It's a message. They are saying "we empathize and support you."

And in a situation where people are constantly asking "where is the Muslim community on this?!?!" Pointing this overture out is responsible.

Not to mention, strategically, marginalizing an entire group for the actions of the few will backfire like you wouldn't believe. Better to isolate the extremists from the group at large and deal with them in manageable chunks than to put an entire group on the defensive and risk them circling the wagons. An open armed approach will win, here.

That said, yah that little a-hole and his feigned surprise and outrage can go to Syria for all I care. They did that on purpose and then threaten to sue. Capitalizing on American white guilt and that neverending fear of being labeled. No. It looked like a damn bomb. People took a threat seriously. I would do the same thing tomorrow. We are not going to start allowing items that look like bombs in school go unchallenged for fear of being labeled racist. We are going to respond to perceived threat. Like rational human beings. You don't have a right to sue. Get over it. If there's one thing I don't like it's a professional victim $h1t stirrer.

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12-10-2015 05:55 PM  33 months agoPost 17
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Where are the muslim demonstrators against the slaughter in California?
Really, I'd like to know the same.

Mike

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12-10-2015 05:56 PM  33 months agoPost 18
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LOL. Mark, is my internet not working? Hello? Testing 123

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12-10-2015 06:44 PM  33 months agoPost 19
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We as Americans give more than any other group by far...Ive seen more money go to stupid GoFundMe projects than what this offer is...yeah granted its "something"...but the amount given vs how many muslims live here in the states clearly says to me that most muslims really dont give a $hit, they may not openly support ISIS, but they sure as hell aint doing anything to help slow them down, they seem to just be getting out of their way really....other than the usual talking heads that vomit out the worthless "We condemn their actions" BS.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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12-10-2015 06:44 PM  33 months agoPost 20
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...s-a6765976.html

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