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12-06-2015 02:16 PM  35 months agoPost 1
Dan Minick

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Iv seen a bunch of different wattage numbers being thrown around in the description boxes for this charger.

Can it really do 1400 watt per channel, both at the same time? Or does it max out at 2000 watts no matter what? Say, 1400 on CH1 and 6oo on CH2?

Or can it truly do 1400 on CH1 while doing 1400 on CH2?

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12-06-2015 04:14 PM  35 months agoPost 2
Tyler

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i charge with 40 amps on ch one and two simultaneously when fed by a 3,000 watt 51.3 v power supply. No problems.

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12-06-2015 04:36 PM  35 months agoPost 3
Dan Minick

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on what size packs?

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12-06-2015 04:40 PM  35 months agoPost 4
Tyler

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Any size pack, as long as the total combined capacity can handle 40 amps.

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12-06-2015 09:27 PM  35 months agoPost 5
Gregor99

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Specs are in the manual
Maximum charge power capacity: 2000W (Channel 1400W @input > 23.5V)
Perhaps a little hard to parse the dual channel scenario, the limitation of 2000 watts is clear.

Summarized more clearly by a sharp cat on RCG.
[QUOTE=everydayflyer;24907303]
One side used at a time up to 1400 watts.
Both sides used at same time up to 2000 total.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show...3&postcount=801

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12-06-2015 09:57 PM  35 months agoPost 6
Dan Minick

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Any size pack, as long as the total combined capacity can handle 40 amps.
Im aware you can use any pack. What packs are YOU charging on 40 amps each channel? You coule easily charge a 4s 5000 pack at 40 amps per channel, but can you charge 6s?7s? Amps really mean nothing to me, I want total wattage
Perhaps a little hard to parse the dual channel scenario, the limitation of 2000 watts is clear.
Exactly, so in reality you have a 2000 watt charger. The 1400 per channel you may as well leave out of the description.

I guess if you want all out power the PL8 is a better beast, it can truly do 1300+ watts on each channel.

The whole 1400 per channel thing is pretty deceiving.

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12-06-2015 11:31 PM  35 months agoPost 7
Heli Fanatix

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Sadly ..You are correct.

The real beast is the dual Powelab 8. Only down side is the original gameboy display and no servo tester but it's got a great PC interface and you can got up to 8S

BTW
There is a review on it from RCHN if you want to check it out.

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12-06-2015 11:35 PM  35 months agoPost 8
Dan Minick

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Thanks Scott, the display is really the only reason I am upgrading from my dual TP 820's. Ill give the DUO a try. Something tells me I wont be dissapointed anyways

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12-07-2015 12:48 AM  35 months agoPost 9
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As an example, I have charged 5,000 5S packs x 2 in parallel at 40 amps each channel simultaneously. This allows a 10s set of batteries to be charged on ch1 and ch2. 740 watts. Less power required to charge batteries due to lower voltages, but the disadvantage is parallel charging can mask ill cells.

I also have charged those same packs configured as 10s packs, one pack per channel. 1,480 watts. Higher voltage requires more power, but every single cell can be monitored properly on the iCharger screen.

8-10 smaller 2,200 3s packs have also been parallel charged per channel through parallel boards that can daisy chain together. Again, lower voltage requires less power, so 444 watts is used.

Important consideration:

If you stagger the charge cycle of each channel you can maximize the charging output of the charger. For example, please follow this reasonable scenario...

Arrive at the flying field with two charged 10s battery packs.

Fly first pack. Land. Reload heli with second battery. First pack cools down during the swap process. Start first battery on charger @ 40 amps.

Fly second pack. This takes about 6 minutes to fly and land. In that amount of time the first pack has started to slowly ramp down its charging current as the voltage of the pack increases. That pack may be charging at only 25 amps at this point. This frees up more power for the second channel.

The second pack goes on the charger. Check the model over between flights. Start the second pack on channel two of the charger at 40 amps.

Within a few minutes the first pack is charged and ready to go.

The second channel now has full charging power capacity.

By the time the first pack is flown and removed from the heli after flight #3, the second battery is almost finished on the second channel. The charge rate tapers off significantly.

First pack now goes onto channel one at full 40A.

Battery #2 gets flown while battery #1 is charging.

Hope this makes sense.

You will have to decide if you wish to charge as 10s packs or 6s packs in parallel. Both are acceptable and reasonable.

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12-07-2015 01:24 AM  35 months agoPost 10
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The real beast is the dual Powelab 8. Only down side is the original gameboy display and no servo tester but it's got a great PC interface and you can got up to 8S
Correct. The DPL can do 1400 watts per channel 2800 total, continuous, with the right supply. Same for two Powerlab8s. The user interface will be getting an awesome revamp, the new Bump Controller. Bump Controller works with all existing Powerlabs and is completely new paradigm in charging. Even works with the Mikado NFC pack reader.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2518304

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12-07-2015 02:17 AM  35 months agoPost 11
Ace Dude

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One nice thing about the DPL8x2 is that is has two power input leads, one for each channel. This makes is much easier to achieve higher outputs by using a separate power supply on each channel which can be attached to separate household AC circuits.

  

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12-07-2015 03:46 AM  35 months agoPost 12
Dan Minick

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If you stagger the charge cycle of each channel you can maximize the charging output of the charger. For example, please follow this reasonable scenario...
I get what your saying, but I was only asking what size packs you were using to demonstrate a point about wattage. I bought a bigger charger so I could paralell charge 5000 7s packs for a new 14s machine, along with all my current 6s packs for 6 and 12s machines. Sure could have used that extra 800 watts
The user interface will be getting an awesome revamp, the new Bump Controller. Bump Controller works with all existing Powerlabs and is completely new paradigm in charging. Even works with the Mikado NFC pack reader.
Sounds great, when will that be?

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12-07-2015 03:52 AM  35 months agoPost 13
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What C rating do you want to charge those 7s packs?

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12-07-2015 06:19 AM  35 months agoPost 14
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Sounds great, when will that be?
Expected release is late this month, early January. Here is the software release schedule. I've been testing with an Android table and its working great. Talk about a large clear screen.

4Q 2015 : Windows USB Firmware Update Utility
1Q 2016 : Android Charge Control Software (CCS) Client initial release – monitoring, control and firmware updates (Bluetooth LE)
1Q 2016 : Bump Controller support for native PowerLab presets (in addition to “BUMP” setup)
2Q 2016 : Android CCS Client – battery history, graphing, reporting
2Q 2016 : Bump Controller support for native PowerLab options and settings
3Q 2016 : Apple iOS Client software initial release (Bluetooth LE)
4Q 2016 : Windows Mobile CCS Client (Bluetooth LE)

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12-07-2015 12:53 PM  35 months agoPost 15
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What C rating do you want to charge those 7s packs?
I could do 12 If i really wanted to. So 1200 watts per pack. I plan to do 2 in paralell most of the time on each channel. Obviously I dont need or want to run full speed, but to be able to run a full 1400 on each simultaneously would be nice.
Expected release is late this month, early January. Here is the software release schedule. I've been testing with an Android table and its working great. Talk about a large clear screen.
Ahh I was under the impression you meant a user interface update for your PL chargers. Im definately not interested in having another thing to drag around with me. I just got rid of the pain in the ass of dragging a laptop around by switching to Vbar control. Let me know when you have got a bump controler built into a 3000 watt charger. Then we can talk

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12-07-2015 01:57 PM  35 months agoPost 16
Ace Dude

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Ahh I was under the impression you meant a user interface update for your PL chargers. Im definately not interested in having another thing to drag around with me.
It is a who new interface and a whole lot more. It's so small you even notice it.

Watch at YouTube

 
 

Lots of discussion in this thread here:
https://rc.runryder.com/t795924p1/
  
 
Let me know when you have got a bump controler built into a 3000 watt charger. Then we can talk
The problem with a 3kW charger is the same as with a 2kW charger. It's nearly impossible to power at the field and get the full output power out unless you have a very large generator. At home you need multiple AC circuits or a 240V circuit with adequate power supplies.

  

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12-07-2015 10:24 PM  35 months agoPost 17
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I wont agrue its size. I just dont want an add on. Plus it seems like almost eveyone using one is using a tablet as well

I personally have no problem running large power supplies, I have always ran a 6900 watt LPG gen that has 4 independant 110 and a 220. Also I have 220 available at home where I charge

I realize im in the minority, but a man can dream

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12-08-2015 12:29 AM  35 months agoPost 18
Ace Dude

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I won't be using a tablet with mine. I do all my charging at the field and a 2kW inverter generator works perfectly with minimal downtime between flights when charging at 3C.

  

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12-08-2015 03:34 AM  35 months agoPost 19
Heli Fanatix

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tablets are cool, better than a smart phone for tuning via blue tooth

...... won't it also double as a mini jukebox!?!?

BTW
you are in a good spot Dan, if you can ... why not?!?!

GO CORN (or whatever is in season!!!) LOL

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12-08-2015 03:48 AM  35 months agoPost 20
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Iv got a gen 3 ipad I inherited from my dads seed buisness when they upgraded. Like new, sits on my counter between a bunch of magazines, Iv touched it 3 times in the last 2 years I think

Nothing is in season, its winter!

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