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12-05-2015 07:58 PM  31 months agoPost 1
Raptor Pilot

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Hi, has anyone on here flown a dji phantom 2 in manual mode? What I am wanting to know is can you reduce the control inputs needed on the dji transmitter to make it less sensitive. I have to fly it in manual mode for the BMFA (British Model Flying Association) A and B certificate tests. ATTI and GPS mode are not allowed for the test only manual mode. The thing is it has to be flown in manual mode to allow it to do a loop which is one of the test manoeuvres. Helicopters and aeroplanes are my thing but im new to multi rotors so that's why im asking on here. Thanks in advance.

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12-07-2015 02:32 AM  31 months agoPost 2
MEL760

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Hi there, I personally don't own a Phantom but I have an Idealfly Ifly-4 Quad along with a couple others. Just wanted to say if you're gonna be doing a loop are sure you want less sensitivity/slower response from the quad?? I personally would want to complete the loop as quick as possible, having said that I have not tried to loop/flip mine but was just thinking by being fixed pitch you can't be in the inverted position for too long and must have decent altitude. Now I do have an AR Drone which performs flips with the push of a button but it does it super fast.

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12-26-2015 01:35 AM  31 months agoPost 3
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Hithere, yes believe you me I need it less sensitive! It tries to roll or flip at even the slightest movement of the transmitter stick, in manual mode it has full everything with no stabilization. I can complete the loop no problem but when you try to fly it smoothly and slowly you have no stability at all, that is why I need it less sensitive.
I have since found out that I can fit a Spektrum AR 8000 receiver and control it from my DX8, from there I can tune all the settings down by using rates and exponential.

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01-05-2016 02:11 AM  30 months agoPost 4
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I have now found out the spektrum AR 8000 wont work in the phantom 2 like mine as the firm ware has no place to select an alternative receiver, it has phantom wrote on top of the controller and not NAZA. The way round it is to fit an Orange R1020x receiver that has S-bus out put or a signal convertor from hobby king between your AR 8000 and the phantom controller.
Its now getting very complicated !!!

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01-07-2016 01:35 AM  30 months agoPost 5
TomC

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Sorry I do not have a phantom but I have a dji naza m lite on a Quanum Venture Deluxe FPV pnp (actually use an ar8000 w/sat on this btw). It is a lot of fun to fly in manual mode (no self- levelling). I just add 30% expo for both aileron and elevator, and 15% to rudder. This makes it nice and manageable for me. You may want to initially try higher settings (I have heard guys use up to 50% expo). Later you can tone these down.

If possible try to set this expo so it is only activated when you switch to manual mode (you may be able to do this through the naza software?). No big deal otherwise, just going to make your self levelling and gps modes feel a bit doughy.

Good luck with your BMFA tests mate.

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01-07-2016 07:47 PM  30 months agoPost 6
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Tom,I will need all the luck I can get to do the BMFA test in manual mode, if I ever pass them I never ever intend to fly in manual mode again unless I have a NAZA unit that I can change and add expo and dual rates.

I have done a lot of research and the naza type controller in my phantom 2 cant be changed the way a real NAZA M can be changed but it is perfectly o.k for doing what a phantom 2 is supposed to do. I may have to buy a genuine NAZA v2 and install it in the phantom 2 so I can change things the way I want them. With the standard dji radio and phantom in manual mode it is like trying to fly a helicopter with no tail gyro, you can just imagine what that would be like!

Thanks by the way for info on how much expo you use.

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01-07-2016 09:55 PM  30 months agoPost 7
TomC

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Mate, it probably would be a lot better/cheaper to just buy yourself an inexpensive 250 quad that uses a flight controller like a cc3d which is very easy to program and you can set flight modes to include a manual/rate (non self levelling) mode. While practicing Manual mode, if you get unstuck you can simply flick your flight mode switch into a self-levelling mode until you get yourself sorted out.

Also, you will be able to use one of your Spektrum rx's. I actually use an ar8000 w/sat on one of mine (overkill, but I had one laying around.

Most of these 250 quads are easy to fly LOS as long as you do not fly them too far away. I'd say 80-100m max for me. You can also install bright led's that will help increase this visual range and improve your orientation. Some diff coloured fluro paint/decals on the front and rear arms also helps.

I had a look at your A and B tests and any of my 250 fpv racing quad fleet could easily perform these (incl a 15m loop) no problem. Costs and ease of build vary a bit but you should be able to get one going for less than $200 (less than 1/2 the cost of a naza m v2).

Probably best to talk to some local multirotor guys and see what they recommend. They may even have a good used one that they can sell you cheap.

Personally I highly recommend the Spedix s250q ARF kit that comes with a CC3D. This is avail from HK for ~$137, plus shipping last time I looked. You just need to add a standard rx and 3s1300-2200 +30c battery (I'd recommend a 3s2200 40c pack). This quad is very simple to put together (no soldering is required) and there are lots of very good youtube vids (rcbuddy ones are very good) that includes assembly and cc3d setup. I think you would actually enjoy the build (I know I did) and you will learn lots. Later you may even want to add some fpv gear and give this a go. Who knows, you may even catch the 250 fpv racing bug, lol!

In any case good luck with all this mate.

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01-07-2016 11:24 PM  30 months agoPost 8
Pistol Pete

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http://www.spektrumrc.com/Products/...rodId=SPMAR7700

You need PPM input for the phantom controller.

Remove camera and gimbal if any.

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01-08-2016 01:43 AM  30 months agoPost 9
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Tom, you are a wealth of information and your right, I could probably get a 250 size quad going for less than the price of a NAZA m V2.
Pistol pete,
have you any knowledge that this receiver will work on the phantom 2 controller? It sounds like it should work with the single wire into the controller. Everybody I ask says yes yes any spektrum receiver will make it work but they are all wrong. I am led to believe that the phantom 2 controller works with an S-bus signal and that is why my DX8 and AR8000 wont make it work because they are not S-bus. I have attached a picture of my phantom 2 controller, as you can see it doesn't say NAZA on it, just phantom.

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01-08-2016 05:59 AM  30 months agoPost 10
Pistol Pete

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The Phantom controller is a Naza M with added "phantom" features.

Modes switchable only with PC software.

X2 input accepts SBUS and PPM (single wire such as Spektrum Rx link on last post)

You can also use your AR8000 by matching/connecting via A-E-T-R ports using 4 connectors instead of 1. ONLY use signal wires from Rx to Naza M

There is no selection on software for binding and or using satellites as you may be used to when programming FBL units.

You bind Rx to new multirotor model prior to installation.

However, not recommended for Phantom 2 Vision+ given they reversed the 2.4GHz (video) and 5.8GHz (Tx) frequency usage. If you do have this version, disconnect video power and feed for your test/qualification.

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01-09-2016 02:18 AM  30 months agoPost 11
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Pete,
unless there is something different in the phantom 2 that is being sold in the U.K compared with the one sold in America none of what you have told me is working on my phantom but it seems to be working on anything with a controller with NAZA marked on the top of it. Look at the picture of mine I posted a couple of posts back.
I went back again and tried connecting my AR8000 like the way you said but it will not connect to the phantom module. It will connect straight away to a NAZA module that has the software that you can change to accept another type of receiver. Also there is nowhere in the phantom 2 software that you can change to make it accept a different receiver, the only modes I can change from are from phantoms own mode to NAZA mode, the only difference in NAZA mode is you are able to access the manual mode. My radio transmission is on 2.4GHZ and the video is on 5.8 GHZ, that has been proven beyond a doubt.
A friend of mine is sponsored by Horizon Hobby U.K and I asked him about the AR7700 receiver and he is not totally sure but he has heard that it will not work with the phantom 2 that has the phantom controller like mine, DJI is supposed to have made changes to it to stop exactly what im trying to do with it but the AR7700 will connect to a phantom 2 that has a NAZA controller but he is checking into the problems im having to see if there is a way around it. Thanks for your suggestions Pete.

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