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12-04-2015 07:35 PM  36 months agoPost 1
Four Stroker

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All of JR's and most of Futaba's brushless servos are listed as DISCONTINUED. What is the situation here ?

All brushless at JR's site are discontinued.

The BLS page at Futaba-RC.com goes nowhere.

There are a few still in stock at Tower.

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12-04-2015 07:44 PM  36 months agoPost 2
WessCo

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Looks like quite a few BLS servos listed.
http://www.futabarc.com/servos/sbus.html

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12-04-2015 07:59 PM  36 months agoPost 3
Four Stroker

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http://jrpropo.co.jp/english/produc...8=pro&button=GO

Alright a search engine problem. There are a few sbus servos and a lot of sbus2 servos. But there are damn few JR brushless available and probably only until the stock goes away. Throw out Futaba.

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12-04-2015 08:42 PM  36 months agoPost 4
ssmith512

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Most likely being phased out and replaced with Xbus programmable servos (which are brushless). I think Futaba will soon start to phase out their "standard" brushless servos as well to be replaced with their sBus2 programmable servo line.

Steve

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12-05-2015 12:13 AM  36 months agoPost 5
JEEPWORLD2002/2

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Yea why sell a 60-100 $ servo when you can sell a 130-160 $ servo ?

Trex600n,Trex500,MR25,MikadoLoGo5003d/KDE,Goblin 380XNova,CastleCreations,Ys,JR XG8,Tags Mini XBus Dmss//FAA# FA3NYC9TAP

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12-05-2015 08:44 AM  36 months agoPost 6
flycatch

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http://stores.ebay.com/PowerHobby-O...=p2047675.l2563 You can buy them from this vendor.

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12-05-2015 11:37 AM  36 months agoPost 7
wjvail

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It's a little sad really. I don't look at Futaba and JR servos any more. I have a LOT of each but there are other really good choices and who's got $329 USD for a servo? I find that number insulting.

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXDXFM
Have a look. Pretty average specs too.

Maybe stupid easy to fly is not the only reason more people are flying quads. A guy starting out in this hobby is faced with a choice of B-spec servos, bugeting 1,000+ USD for servos, or 0 dollars for servos and a quad. I don't know....

Bill

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12-05-2015 03:27 PM  36 months agoPost 8
LaDon

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Jr has a huge amount of servos they make. Somewhere along the line some have to go. There are a set I prolly wouldn't have discontinued but I also don't have access to the sales records to see what so selling or not. Also you are saying the retail price at $329 and the actual price is $249. Now that is still too high of price but if a guy is gonna state the prices we should talk what they are actually paying for them. Good mks servos are still $189 and ppl buy them like crazy. The new xbus smart servo is $149. I would not call that bad when compared to all the other quality servos. BK servos I won't comment on them haven't had them only what I read about them. A lot of companies use the retail and map pricing. My point here is make sure a person uses the price you can buy them for. Also if a company don't make new stuff just like JR is doing with the Xbus smart servo then the conversation would be why don't they come out with something new. If you look at what Jr is doing they are still making good quality but the prices ave become more in line with everyone else just like with the forza and the radios. Here is a link for the new xbus smart cyclic servo and anyone can order it for the $149 price

http://www.jramericas.com/234700/JRPSNX8925/

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12-05-2015 04:41 PM  36 months agoPost 9
Four Stroker

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Well why are the new NX servos not brushless ? Is there some actual technical reason ? Are the coreless motors faster responding ? Or is it just a cost and sales thing ?

Now the Futaba thing is just that Tower's search engine sucks. If I put in "Futaba BLS" I expect to see all BLS servos including SBus and SBus2 NOT just the DISCONTINUED original BLS servos.

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bi...ARCH=futaba+bls

The weak points in servos have always been the motor brushes and the pot. I was glad to see brushless servos AND don't expect to ever see the pot go away. Yes, the MPH82G works fine in a tail gyro loop. Pots hardly ever fail suddenly and catastrophically anyway - ignoring the guy with the wire that fell off.

When I started this hobby radio stuff was extremely expensive because it was all hand made in small quantities - a few hundred transmitters a year per brand ! $400 for a four channel radio translates to about $2800 today. So the street price does not really bother me.

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12-05-2015 05:45 PM  36 months agoPost 10
LaDon

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Well those are good questions but OP was referring to price and not the coreless brushless debate. I also am not an electrical engineer so I don't know all the specifics but from what I read coreless offers quick acceleration and deceleration and better centering and brushless are supposed to last a little longer be a little more efficient and provide more power. Brushless is more expensive to make. As the OP stated the futaba servo he pointed out is very expensive even tho a very good quality servo. I don't think a person can dispute the fact futaba makes nice stuff but he is right who is going to pay that kind of money. Not very many ppl. JR has made the nx servo which will do everything the futaba servo has done but at a $100 less and has better specs. I have had some of my JR servos for 20 years now and they still work good. I don't think that the coreless brushless debate is something that needs hashed out here because it is a matter of preference more so than one being better than the other as from what I read it appears they both have their advantages and disadvantages. He lumped the JR servos into this debate and all I was trying to do was point out that it was not true on the prices. I will continue to use the JR product line not because I and my kid fly for them but mainly because of service. I have a friend that flew x brand that cost about the same and when he had a couple go bad they told him to buy some new ones we don't service them. What customer service! Don't ask the name as I am not going to disclose that on here and bash them. Just aint going to happen. I have never before and after not had JR take care of my stuff and I can get it fixed if need be real quick. To me that means more than price. Hope this helps

Team Jr

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12-25-2015 05:46 PM  35 months agoPost 11
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"High Performance Brushless motor equipped ! "

http://www.jrpropo.co.jp/english/pr...&db_flg=eng_db1

"* Compatible receiver systems : DMSS · DSMJ · 72MHz · 40MHz "

Amusingly you can't apparently use it with DSM2/DSMX.

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12-25-2015 06:01 PM  35 months agoPost 12
LaDon

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It will work with dsmx. It says it works with Pwm signals. They just listed the JR protocols is all.

Team Jr

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12-25-2015 07:39 PM  35 months agoPost 13
jharkin

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The secret to get Futaba BLS servos cheap is to order them from RCJapan.

They have been phasing out all the original BLS for s-bus versions at a lot more $$, its is annoying I agree.

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12-26-2015 03:58 AM  35 months agoPost 14
cudaboy_71

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They did this 10 years ago. I still have a set of S9451s flying...that's the non-brushless version of the BLS451. Everyone was pissed back then taking an $80 servo and charging $120 for it.

Some might call it a product life cycle.

if it ain't broke, break it.

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12-26-2015 06:03 AM  35 months agoPost 15
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Yes Indeed ! Premium transmitters and servos are keeping up with inflation very well. They are better most of the time. But not cheaper. Receivers are cheap - not much in them. I am still waiting for the optical absolute encoder (potless) servos. They will be about $500 each.

I have an MPH83G (MAP $229.99) which works very well. The gyro is the real feedback reference. MPH should also work fine on FBL for the same reason.

All of you young kids should check out: http://www.rchalloffame.org/ This RC stuff was a long time coming. But it will be illegal in another year or so.

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