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11-28-2015 02:22 PM  34 months agoPost 1
870heli

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I have a 550X and a 600X now up and flying. They sat around until I got to them. If I knew they flew that good I would have rushed them long a long time back. I have them flying on six cells each. I bought a 600 Blade motor from HH they had on clearance and put that in the 600 to run a six cell. It worked perfect. I can't say that I have had a better flying helicopter. To bad they stopped making them.
Just my two cents.
870Heli

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11-28-2015 07:04 PM  34 months agoPost 2
Heli Fanatix

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they are ok ...
- Head bobbles at certain head speed
- canopy takes effort to install
- they are heavy and noisey

but for the most part, if you haven't flown 550 or bigger ... The 550X and 600X lets you get into the bigger class for less. 600X on 6S will hard on the packs and short flights times (unless all you do is flying in circles).

I got a 600X in a smoking trade. Had a head bobble during spool up, tried to fix it but didn't want to spend the time. It's been sitting for over a year. I have flown:
- Align
- Goblin
- Mikado
- Compass
- Hirobo
- JR
- LA Heli

They are inexpensive and can't get much for them, so makes sense to keep it and fly them.

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11-29-2015 10:36 PM  34 months agoPost 3
TomC

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Ya, I have had my 550x for almost 3 years now and it still fly's like new. Btw, I found removing the poorly balanced head-button helps smooth up the spool-up.

Cheers,
TomC

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11-29-2015 11:09 PM  34 months agoPost 4
870heli

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Thanks Tom I never thought to check it alone. I was out flying the 550X today. It was cold maybe 40 at best but the wind was light. I seam to get a elevator bobble at the end of the flight. It's not bad but you can see it.
870Heli

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11-29-2015 11:25 PM  34 months agoPost 5
Heli Fanatix

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yes, it's that elevator bobble upon spool up and spool down. When I came down for an auto, about 20' up and 20' out, looked like it's bucking like a Bronco. Was very unsettling, but nothing to cause you to go out of control.

I have tried
- removing button
- greasing the spindle generously
- different thrust washer and bearing assembly
- I balanced the entire FBL with main blades with a Du Bro Balancer
- various FBL Controllers
- 4 different types of main blades (some NIP)
- new spindle
- new main shafts
- new main and auto gear
- new main bearings
- checked and replaced the whole TT drive system including bearings

my next alternative is to replace the entire head with either:
- Mikado FBL head
- Align FBL head with swash driver
- SAB Goblin 500 HPS head

I have all the parts on hand, just didn't want to fuss with it at the moment.

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11-30-2015 08:53 PM  34 months agoPost 6
TomC

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Maybe check your cyclic servos for slop (incl servo arm slop). Not much else you have left to try by the look of it, lol!

Not a widely reported problem with Blade 550/600/700x heli's (although if you look hard enough I'm sure you will always find a few) imho.

Also, always very hard to tell how big a problem these things can be without actually seeing it. If it's just a very slight bobble during spoolup/spooldown and does not effect the overall flying performance I would probably just go fly it as is.

If I had to do all the things you've mentioned above in order to be happy with it I'd probably have driven a truck over it by now, lol!

Cheers,
TomC

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11-30-2015 09:34 PM  34 months agoPost 7
jason46

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I was also bummed eflite quit on the larger helis, I was going to get their 550 or 600.

Semi-related bit on the eflite motors horizon is blowing out. I was flying the 520kv motor in a trex550 with 600mm blades on 12s and it was awesome!

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12-01-2015 02:53 AM  34 months agoPost 8
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I'm very proficient at what I do. Being an automotive technician, body main, painter, auto security/electronics installer, fitness & strength trainer, dog trainer and contractor ... there is very little I'm not familiar with. I feel my past experience has really help me excel in this RC Heli Hobby. I can build as well as I can fly and easily be able to translate into words to teach others. But I found out not everyone is receptive to advice or wants to be helped.

I found out "good" "awesome" "perfect" is a relative term. Unless you have used 6-9 products of the same category .. sometime those terms mentioned earlier can be very loosely defined. With the age of the internet .. that can lead to MIS-INFORMATION

I have used many many brands of:
- Helicopters
- motors
- esc
- fbl
- fb and fbl blades
- batteries
- chargers
- tools
- tx

I'm sorry to say I can't agree with eflite products. I can see the design flaws that will lead to potential problems. At first I was baffled by all the issues I was having with eflite products nano to 700X. In the beginning, just b/c of my current occupation, it doesn't mean I will be good at the RC Heli Hobby let alone knowledgeable on each make, model and component. So i did my research and bought what people said was, "good" or "perfect". I was only to be disappointed and also accumulated an insane about of items.

Fast forward a decade ... I have formulated a list of top performing products. Some aren't expensive but work very well and of course the expensive always work well. Now not everyone needs the best product .. but what works and is perfect for them matters.

Sadly, Eflite products or anything from HH is not satisfactory to my needs once you have approach a point in your flying. I'm sure they will work for the masses but I want a product I can use from day 1 to Pro Level. People complain about this hobby being expensive ... but buying items just to rebuy to save on initial cost is the culprit. But lets hope while trying to save $$$, we don't buy a product that drives us insane with quirks and let alone jeopardize our safety.

This is not a rant, but a subtle rebuttal of comments regard eflite products.I have flown a lot of models and address all their issues. Some need more attention than others .. but I don't like having a product where it's inefficient, heavy, bearings fell very fast, there are defects right out of the package or rotor heads snapping on 700 class heli's.

For example:
Motors - I would recommend X Nova. Buy this brand and your are done. nothing else will compare to power and efficiency, no oiling and light.

Heli - Makido Logo 500. Very well made, smooth, go from 500mm to 690mm and never outgrow it. Like the Energizer Bunny, keeps on going n going

Batteries - Opti Power. Simply works and will not die on me.

Those are just 3 of my suggestions. You will not go wrong with it

As for my 600X .. once I saw the issue, I told myself I will give myself 3 days to resolve the problem. If not, I will just shelf it till I get around to it. Honestly I will probably get to it in about 5 years to never. It's not a small problem and it's enough for someone that knows nothing about RC Heli Hobby to notice. I'm not picky but only 3 heli's I have does that .. the 600X bobbles is the worst. A Heli shouldn't have to do that or we shouldn't have to try to fix it. I shouldn't have to compromise since none of my other heli does that.Is it too much to ask for a manufacturer to build use a competent - working helicopters that we gave our hard earn $$$ to?

For those that don't agree with me ..
- fly a Logo, Goblin or JR
- use at least 1 component I have suggested while trying 4 other brands in the same category
- be at least a proficiency Level 5 pilot

than you are qualified to tell me I'm not accurate. Friends and brothers, I'm all about giving straight and solid advice. Hope I didn't step on any toes while doing so.

Happy flying and holidays.

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12-01-2015 03:17 AM  34 months agoPost 9
gmcullan

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Enlighten me, Oh Great One. What is a Proficiency Level 5 pilot and how is one so designated?

If the designation is arbitrary and without sanctioned guidelines, then I am a Proficiency Level 10 Pilot.

I happen to know the original poster, and he is one great guy and a competent builder and pilot. Buzz, I will assign Proficiency Level 15 to you.

I'm sure that fun loving heli pilots will enjoy this response and that equipment snobs will be completely pissed off.

OK, fire suit on, so flame away!

Gerry Cullan,
Gaui 200, 255; T-Rex 250, 450 SE & SA, Mini-Titan, Blade 450

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12-01-2015 03:19 AM  34 months agoPost 10
TomC

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Scott,

Thanks for your thoughts/opinions based on your experience. Always good to hear what guys think.

Maybe you forgot to add 'good looking and modest' to your resume, lol! Just kidding mate, and ya have a great Xmas.

Nqx,Mcpx-BL,300x,450x,500x,550x
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12-01-2015 03:45 AM  34 months agoPost 11
870heli

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No, I thought it was pretty cool.
I to have done many jobs myself machinist, engine builder, gun builder, motorcycle builder and been building helis for 34 years. This is the first time that I have had a bobble like this. Mine is very minor and disappears at higher head speeds idle up 2. I have only flown this a half dozen times so far and it has been cold out so I haven't played with it yet. These are also my first FBL helis so I am looking at new inputs in flight that were never there be four. I appreciate your input and I am sure it will help when sorting out my heli.
This is a good forum to share info and I hope it stays that way.
I am sure the the FBL unit makes this heli feel so good in the air. Not like the old days. I have two 700 T-rex and they fly as good as any heli but they are fly bared and nitro powered.
I think I will like this FBL stuff.
Thanks
870Heli

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12-01-2015 05:46 AM  34 months agoPost 12
Heli Fanatix

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gmcullan,

your sarcasm is not unwelcome but completely expected base on the content of your post. Not sure why you would comment on something that you have no knowledge of.

There are 7 levels in the Pilot's Proficiency Program and guidelines are established by a few big known authorities in the RC Heli World. Reason why I commented about being a minimum level 5 is there are set maneuvers that are enough to stress the components / setup to reveal any anomalies. If you are just flying around in circles .. than everything is good. That was my idea behind that comment.

I have no doubt 870heli is a great person. He showed it by his post responses and openness to the new technology and ideas. He wasn't being reactive but receptive. This is not a person attack but the sharing of ideas in this great hobby of ours.

Tom,

I'm not sure I can add something that isn't true. LOL.

Thanks ...I've always value all your post and inputs when I first join this awesome forum.

870heli,

I have no doubt the 600X is a great flying heli and FBL is the way to go. I'm glad you embraced the new technology. You got some folks that love the ease of setting up a FB and those that hate the setup of FBL but love the way it flies. once comfortable (which you will be in time), you can setup a FBL in no time and fine tune the setting that combines the best of both worlds (for those that adore the FB).

If you ever need help, you are always free to PM me.

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12-01-2015 12:51 PM  34 months agoPost 13
870heli

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Back in I think 1984 or five our club was a sponsor of the nats. I worked it every day. So did my wife. Our club field was open to anyone as a practice field. It was harder back with 72 radios. Curtis Youngblood came to our field and was flying for Excel, it was his first year flying for them. I was a GMP fan and was flying a Legend that day. I asked him how he liked flying with the plastic head compared to the GMP that he won the world championship with. He was a very nice guy to talk with. I asked him if he would like to fly my Legend. He said sure and I got it fired up for him. He ran the tank out and autoed it in. I asked him what he thought of my heli. He said "It Fly's better than mine". He won the nats two days later. That was the best complement I ever got.
This is not a bought who has the best stuff, or knows the most or if fly bar's or FBL setups are best. It's a bought our hobby and enjoying it and the people in it.
I had been sort of out of the hobby for the last few years. Didn't like the idea of electric or FBL and was keeping myself from enjoying the hobby. Two months back I stopped at an old friends hobby shop in Lee Ma. and met a great bunch of guys. I have been hot on having a good time ever since.
I just want to enjoy the hobby. Life is short. Good flying.
Thanks
Buz 870Heli

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12-01-2015 01:47 PM  34 months agoPost 14
Richardmid1

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Helifanatix, did you try a new head block?

60% of the time, it works every time!

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12-01-2015 04:30 PM  34 months agoPost 15
gmcullan

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Seriously, enlighten me as to who sets and administers the proficiency standards.

As an example, I am a Shodan, or First Degree Black Belt in the art of Shotokan Karate. I had to train through 10 levels to internationally set standards, testing at each level before a board of Shodans and higher. My Black Belt testing was conducted in front of a board of five ranging in Kyu (rank) from Nidan (2nd Degree Black Belt) through Shehan (5th Degree Black Belt)

Same as when I earned my Private Pilot License. I had to train to a set of FAA mandated standards and then take and pass a written exam as well as an oral exam given at the time of my flight test with a FAA designated examiner.

Sarcastic? Yes, definitely. But at least I don't try to present myself as the highest on high of in regards to helis. I'm a long timer in this hobby, starting with fixed wing in 1968 and adding helis in 1975. Does this mean I'm great by any stretch of the imagination? In no way! But it does mean that I've had a great time in this hobby. And as Buzz knows, I try to help as best I can.

As for Eflite Blade helis, they are what they are. They will probably never win a national or international contest. But they perform reasonably well within their price point. All brands have a weakness, and all can benefit from a tweak or upgrade that best suits the pilots end use of the heli.

My heli piloting experience runs across Schluter, Gaui, Align, JR, Thunder Tiger, and Blade helis. I've also flown friend's SAB helis, nice machines but priced beyond what I want to spend.

Gerry Cullan,
Gaui 200, 255; T-Rex 250, 450 SE & SA, Mini-Titan, Blade 450

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12-01-2015 05:26 PM  34 months agoPost 16
Dan Minick

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I believe he refers to something like this

http://www.ircha.org/pilot-proficiency-program

http://www.rchelination.com/rchn-pi...ciency-program/

These programs are widely known in the heli community, nothing new

Team Synergy, Team FBL Rotors-------if its not broke...it will be!

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12-01-2015 06:34 PM  34 months agoPost 17
gmcullan

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Thank you, Dan. Quite interesting. But again, who administers the programs and verifies/assigns rating levels. I would think that at least peer review with all reviewers of equal or higher level would be a minimal requirement. Barring that, a heli pilot could assign themselves any level that they want. Self certification is meaningless for all practical purposes.

And for the record, my self-proclaimed proficiency rating is "Old Fart".

Gerry Cullan,
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12-01-2015 06:47 PM  34 months agoPost 18
Heli Fanatix

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Richard,

I haven't changed the head block. I didn't want to spend the money for a new one but I do have FBL head blocks from Mikado, SAB and Align. I was thinking about using those blocks instead. I was going to trouble in the future after I catch up on some projects.

I will follow up once I do

gmcullan,

You mock me and still continue to do so but yet you want me to explain something that you could of easily found the answer if put in some effort. I tried to answer your question indirectly but someone else found you your answer. I never profess myself as the highest level on RC Heli. I was giving my background for credibility ... Such as yourself. I doubt dispute your credentials, so why do you give me a hard time? I train in jujitsu and Muay Thai for 12 yrs as well too .. I'm surprise you don't express more self discipline, but you do react very well.

I have spent thousands of $$$ on items I thought if I had just added a little bit more $$$. I could of had something that lasted a lot longer and worked better. Im not putting nothing down, just stating the facts. I teach people to fly and log about 400 hrs a month. I go through a lot of equipment. You can weed out the rift rafts fairly quick when you push the heli hard enough. Especially when you can identify the quirks and it would be a very long frustrating day if you lack the expertise to know how to remedy the problem. So I have no choice but have to be proficient at what I do. I am a problem solver and have established a method to approached a situation. I have since applied this method to everything I do and has worked out very well.

If I don't know something, I would admit I don't know it and not give my input until I have done my research. So I am going to refrain from any further comments unless if you have a question regarding setup issues.

Dan,

Thanks Dan!

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12-01-2015 11:54 PM  34 months agoPost 19
gmcullan

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The IRCHA program has positions for witnesses to sign, but unless I misread the documents, there appear to be no requirements or specifications for the "witnesses".

The RCHN program also indicates certification by a witness, but again, what are the qualifications of the witness.

You didn't state how far you advanced in Jujitsu (I also cross trained in Akido and Jujitsu. Ah, the joys of being the uchi (throwing monkey)). After 12 years of training, I suspect you were some degree of Black Belt. You trained to a designated standard and you were not judged by your peers, but by your Senseis and Masters. They themselves had to train and test to reach their levels of experience and capabilities. Sticking with the Karate anology, the two proficiency programs would be like testing for your Black Belt and potentially being judged by a White Belt.

So what is to stop a less than scrupulous person to take the forms from these two programs, get someone with zero knowledge of R/C helis to sign off on them, and then all of a sudden they are a Proficiency Level 7 Pilot.

I mean no disrespect to you, either personally or professionally, but I am trying to determine the validity of these certification programs.

Gerry Cullan,
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12-02-2015 12:49 AM  34 months agoPost 20
Heli Fanatix

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I agree there are no exact validation for the Pilot's Proficiency Program and its more about the honor system. That is why I always choose to give a person's word face value unless proven else wise. I can't take credit for anything I haven't earn.

As far as my martial arts background, It start out as a way to defend myself since the area I have grow up is ghetto fabulous. I help my friends run and teach in the studio and Dojo's. But along the way I have found respect, patience, discipline and confidence. I have not gotten any validation or ranking, but I can submit my black belt and high ranking opponents. The key is to take a licking and keep on ticking. I can punch through a block and break holds easily since my strengthen is above average (I bench 405lb @ my weight of 180lbs). I have crystallized all the bones in my limbs, I'm as close to being Wolverine as I can ever get to be.
I don't plan to compete just like my RC Heli flying. It's for my own personal a Satisfaction.

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