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11-24-2015 01:27 PM  34 months agoPost 21
rcheliheaddaz

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After reading, I have come to the conclusion.
If you really can not change what is happening, why worry?
If you can do things to make life better, why worry?
If you are not worried! Well?

And round we go again.

Pretty much like flying my models. Almost always back to the same place. But, sometimes carrying the odd change to structure.

Regards Dazza,;

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11-24-2015 03:03 PM  34 months agoPost 22
don s

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The purpose appears to be written right in the opening section of the document - to be able to identify an owner in cases of accident etc.
Already taken care of by the rule-abiding AMA flyer.
Yes I know you going to argue that anyone who intends to do harm wont register so why bother. Using that logic, why bother registering you car?
Because somebody passed a law. What good is car registration any way besides the revenue it generates?
why worry?
Not worried a bit.

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11-24-2015 05:23 PM  34 months agoPost 23
elmobad

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The faa passing laws on model avation is illegal discussion over:
SEC. 336. SPECIAL RULE FOR MODEL AIRCRAFT.
(a) IN GENERAL.—Notwithstanding any other provision of law
relating to the incorporation of unmanned aircraft systems into
Federal Aviation Administration plans and policies, including this
subtitle, the Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration
may not promulgate any rule or regulation regarding a model
aircraft, or an aircraft being developed as a model aircraft.

GOT FBL?

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11-24-2015 05:31 PM  34 months agoPost 24
niyot

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Don't be careless or reckless with your unmanned aircraft – you could be fined for endangering people or other aircraft
Would 3d be considered careless or reckless?? If so I am fine- I never mastered anything more than hovering

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11-24-2015 05:38 PM  34 months agoPost 25
Aaron29

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Hmm,

The language seems to indicate that there might be room for an exemption.

"Mark the registration number (or registered serial number) on all applicable sUAS prior to their operation in the NAS."

"applicable sUAS"

Does that mean certain sUAS will not apply? Like for modeling use? Maybe we just don't comply since the Sec 336 says what it says and that's what "applicable" is implying? Shrug.

And then you have to ask, just how do they plan on informing the public of this requirement?

I find it impossible to believe that they will be able to run this system for free. You really think they'll pass this cost on to the taxpayers? I almost think that is unethical. Pretty sure by the time this thing reaches maturation it'll have a nominal cost.

Oh FWIW - Canada tried to implement a national gun registration and ended up $h1tcanning it for being expensive, cumbersome, and ineffective.

And this is somehow going to turn out better? SMH.

I'm still hoping maybe this won't turn out so bad. I swear if the AMA doesn't make contact with the ball on at least SOMETHING, I'm still questioning why I bother with it.

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11-24-2015 08:15 PM  34 months agoPost 26
TheMainShaft

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Registration should only be required for hobby UAS that are equipped with GPS or FPV. All other hobby UAS should be exempt from registration.

The majority of traditional hobby UAS have a long and proven record of safety in the NAS.

GPS and FPV are the two relatively new technologies that enable the hobby UAS to exceed the line of site and thus may become a threat in the NAS.

It would seem reasonable not to burden the registration system with UAS pilots that do not represent a threat to the NAS.

GPS and FPV equipped UAS can be easily visually identified for the purposes of enforcement.

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11-24-2015 08:49 PM  34 months agoPost 27
oballzz

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released yesterday from AMA...............

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: November 23, 2015

CONTACT: Allison Haley, media@modelaircraft.org, (202) 777-3509

MUNCIE, Ind. – Dave Mathewson, executive director of the Academy of Model Aeronautics (AMA) which is the world’s largest community-based organization, today made the following statement on the recommendations released by the U.S. Department of Transportation’s Task Force on UAS registration:

“As a member of the task force, AMA agrees that registration of UAS makes sense at some level and for flyers operating outside the guidance of a community-based organization or flying for commercial purposes. Unfortunately, as written, these recommendations would make the registration process an unnecessary and unjustified burden to our 185,000 members, who have operated harmoniously within the aviation community for decades and who register and provide their personal contact information when joining the AMA. For this reason, AMA wanted to include dissenting comments in the final task force report, but was prevented from doing so.

“Adding an additional requirement for AMA members to register at the federal level is contrary to the intent of the Special Rule for Model Aircraft in the FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012. Public Law clearly states that the FAA is prohibited from promulgating any new rules for recreational users operating within the safety guidelines of a community-based organization. Congress by no means intended to grant a free pass for individuals who operate model aircraft. Instead, it clearly intended to leave risk mitigation and the development of appropriate safety guidelines for the operation of these devices by the members of the AMA to the nationwide community-based organization.

“More importantly, there is no finding or indication that any AMA member was involved in the incidents and sightings that lead to the decision to require UAS registration. In fact the AMA has proactively partnered with the FAA and other industry stakeholders in an effort to educate the new unmanned aircraft (“drone”) enthusiasts through the “Know Before You Fly” campaign. AMA members have been flying safely for decades, and our members are not the problem. Safety has been the cornerstone of our organization for over 80 years and, with our stellar safety record, AMA’s members strive to be a part of the solution. However, the solution should not involve our members bearing the burden of new regulations.

“Unfortunately the task force recommendations may ultimately prove untenable by requiring the registration of smaller devices that are essentially toys and do not represent safety concerns. Based on its years of experience the AMA cautioned against unnecessarily encumbering the toy industry and urged the task force to consider several factors when determining the threshold at which UAS technology should be registered – including weight, capability and other safety-related characteristics. But, the recommendations do not reflect this comprehensive approach. The task force only considered weight, requiring any device over 250 grams (0.55 pounds) to register. We believe weight should be only one of several factors considered when determining where the threshold should be for UAS registration.”

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11-24-2015 09:36 PM  34 months agoPost 28
revmix

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another petition

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11-25-2015 09:41 AM  34 months agoPost 29
dialarotor

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Overwhelm them
Go to your local club meeting and have ALL the members register in January EVERY SINGLE MODEL THEY HAVE, plank, heli, glider, ukie, free flight and send them all in at once. SCARE THE BE BEJESUS out of them when they find millions of these aircraft out there. I know between my dad, myself, and sons we could probably muster close to 50 aircraft.

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11-25-2015 11:21 AM  34 months agoPost 30
Heli_Splatter

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once again AMA position;... Don't do anything to us, we are special.

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11-25-2015 12:31 PM  34 months agoPost 31
jharkin

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Because somebody passed a law. What good is car registration any way besides the revenue it generates?
Establish clear record of ownership in the case of motor vehicle accidents, for one thing.

Honestly I doubt the $30 or so a year my registration generates for the state of Massachusetts even pays for the cost of administrating the RMV, but that's another topic. Property taxes on vehicles on the other than, do pay for maintaining the roads that we use.

Considering that I'm happy that they proposed to make this aircraft registration free as its not going to be free to administer.

Overall, in an ideal world I think we AMA members should stay exempt, but this program as proposed is so low hassle that it doesn't bother me at all.
Overwhelm them
Go to your local club meeting and have ALL the members register in January EVERY SINGLE MODEL THEY HAVE, plank, heli, glider, ukie, free flight and send them all in at once. SCARE THE BE BEJESUS out of them when they find millions of these aircraft out there. I know between my dad, myself, and sons we could probably muster close to 50 aircraft.
Suggest you actually read the regulation proposal document....

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11-25-2015 01:34 PM  34 months agoPost 32
dkshema

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The proposed regulation may initially seem harmless and of little or no consequence.

Government is insidious. Begin with small, seemingly harmless regulations. Once on the books, these rarely ever go away. Over time, however, the initial harmless regulation grows. Bureaucrats love regulations. It is what keeps them employed.

Note that the harmless registration idea is already proposed in spite of the Federal law prohibiting the FAA from burdening model aviation. Let us wait until there are a handful of incidents involving a quad, where the owner can't be traced. The regulation will be amended. And amended. And amended. Government bureaucracy is built upon incrementalism. Start small, grow to a self-sustaining operation. Convince the politicians you need a small budget to maintain the new program. Then become entrenched in the Budget, and last forever.

The income tax was initially just "temporary" and would go away. Today the tax code is over 70,000 pages of legislation and drives much of what you and I do. The IRS is now the most feared and powerful organization in the Government.

Obamacare was sold as a way to insure that all Americans would have access to inexpensive healthcare. Now my healthcare premiums have grown substantially and my individual deductible has grown from about $1500 to $6500. I can't afford to get sick now and those who were supposed to be the beneficiaries of the new law still are locked out. This is the culmination of 30 years of Government meddling, beginning with the initial idea of forming Health Maintenance Organizations - HMO's, that were sold to "solve" the same problem Obamacare is supposed to solve.

No, I am not a Carly Fiorina supporter, however one portion of her "stump speech" includes the idea that Government creates problems out of thin air, then steps in to "fix" the problem. But the problem never goes away, it gets worse and needs "more fixes."

The drone problem grew out of nothing. Then it needed to be fixed. We are witnessing Step 2 of the process. Step 1 was create the issue. DONE. Step 2 is fix it. We are now about there. Step 3 will be the realization that Step 2 didn't go far enough and will need adjustments. Step 4 will be fix what Step 2 didn't. And so forth and so on.

Over the Thanksgiving break, I will be writing my Congressman and Senators. What will you be doing?

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11-25-2015 01:57 PM  34 months agoPost 33
revmix

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Congressman and Senators.
they will brush you off,
try suing faa.gov for being too official

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11-25-2015 02:16 PM  34 months agoPost 34
gwright

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HMO's weren't the start of the problem with healthcare.Costs started being driven up more than a decade before. DRG's did some of it in '83, then EMTALA started creating the larger problems a few years later. The biggest issues with Obamacare haven't even been discussed yet. The ACO concept basically adds yet another middleman into the mix, and that middleman has to be paid. The individual tax for not having a policy, and the corporate requirements for businesses that employ over 50, are completely insignificant compared to what the ACO concept will do. You have to give him credit on one thing,..his slight of hand and misdirection to focus everyone over the insignificant items has removed any focus from the really bad stuff. Worked for a group of 200 physicians for 2 decades. Over a dozen locations, all diagnostics, large cancer treatment center, surgery center, GI center,...etc. they sold their business to a large conglomerate, and many of our careers ended in 2013. With the unnaffordable care act, their 42 year business that had grown consistently, would not be sustainable, hence the sale.

But I digress. In these various threads, I continue to see people mention that they can't regulate models per the legislation a few years ago. They conveniently sidestepped that by changing the definition of "model".

Gary Wright

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11-25-2015 02:35 PM  34 months agoPost 35
elmobad

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The faa can side step and dance get all funky, it does not matter. If you are at a flying field/flying area that falls within the guidelines set forth in SEC. 336. SPECIAL RULE FOR MODEL AIRCRAFT. (<-------Hey guys this is a LAW!!!)

It does not matter what sheeple want us to think, faa cant legally enforce any rules they pull out of there butts!

(1) the aircraft is flown strictly for hobby or recreational
use;
(2) the aircraft is operated in accordance with a communitybased
set of safety guidelines and within the programming
of a nationwide community-based organization;
(3) the aircraft is limited to not more than 55 pounds
unless otherwise certified through a design, construction,
inspection, flight test, and operational safety program administered
by a community-based organization;
(4) the aircraft is operated in a manner that does not
interfere with and gives way to any manned aircraft; and
(5) when flown within 5 miles of an airport, the operator
of the aircraft provides the airport operator and the airport
air traffic control tower (when an air traffic facility is located
at the airport) with prior notice of the operation (model aircraft
operators flying from a permanent location within 5 miles of
an airport should establish a mutually-agreed upon operating
procedure with the airport operator and the airport air traffic
control tower (when an air traffic facility is located at the
airport)).

Now if you think you can go fly by an airport(without permission), or over a crowd of people. Or other stupid thing (please MR. revmix dont get into semantics I am no mood). Let just say this, if you think it is not appropriate location to fly or fly at, then dont do it. Then you are out of luck, you most likly are not flying within the guidelines of the law SEC. 336. SPECIAL RULE FOR MODEL AIRCRAFT.

GOT FBL?

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11-25-2015 02:46 PM  34 months agoPost 36
revmix

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(without persimmon),
sweeten up the rules of operation
MR
multi-rotor abbr.
Or other stupid thing
336 1-5 does not mention TFR, then actually does not apply to models so accordingly FAA restriction is unlawful for r/c toys

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11-25-2015 03:09 PM  34 months agoPost 37
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Serial No#s of engines, motors, escs, receivers, MR control units, batteries, aircraft frames, all need to be reported during sales and reselling process. Each of these components needs to be associated with an individual.
Seriously? Am I reading this right?

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11-25-2015 03:18 PM  34 months agoPost 38
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Being that congress already passed a bill saying hands off of the rc industry and the FAA has chosen to ignore it I smell a lawsuit evolving from this issue. Who does the FAA think that they are to just bypass laws already on the books? I understand that this is the Obama regime and they think that this is a dictatorship, but it is now time to get the dreaded lawyers involved.

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11-25-2015 05:35 PM  34 months agoPost 39
Aaron29

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That's why I'm thinking the real press-to-test on this is going to be when the first traditional modeler decides to not comply and is somehow caught. Possibly by a fellow clubmember who also has government bootlicking tendencies. It'll go to court, he'll cite this CONGRESSIONAL (not administrative) law and the FAA will either capitulate or congress will revisit it. I hope it'd be the former.

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11-25-2015 06:37 PM  34 months agoPost 40
elmobad

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Why wait for a sheeple to call me out. I will put my hand up and say choose me!!!!! I am publicly saying I am not going to comply with the illegal actions of the faa. I will be putting up a sign next to my flight box, saying I am not in compliance with the faas illegal rules! I will more then be willing to fall on that little firecracker!

Yes, I will win.

GOT FBL?

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