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11-23-2015 04:19 PM  34 months agoPost 1
jharkin

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http://www.faa.gov/uas/publications...rt_11-21-15.pdf
The Task Force recommendations for the registration process are summarized as follows:

1) Fill out an electronic registration form through the web or through an application (app).

2) Immediately receive an electronic certificate of registration and a personal universal registration number for use on all sUAS owned by that person.

3) Mark the registration number (or registered serial number) on all applicable sUAS prior to their operation in the NAS.
The Task Force also recommends a free, owner-based registration system with a single registration number for each registrant. (They also suggested that if the FAA is required by statute to charge,
that the fee should be $0.001).
Just as I expected its gong to be online, simple and free. Just a single number per pilot.

All you doomsayers who kept insisting it was all a big government power grab and about money may commence your backpedaling now. I'm making the popcorn.

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11-23-2015 04:30 PM  34 months agoPost 2
revmix

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recommendations
popcorn
butter it up
The FAA may incorporate all, some, or none of the recommendations provided in any rulemaking activity, as well as take any future steps deemed necessary by the Agency to ensure compliance with the registration requirement.

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11-23-2015 04:36 PM  34 months agoPost 3
icanfly

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your rc heli is not a uas until it is used commercially. A "model" rc heli is not subject to the registration. As long as the model is flown for entertainment use and done so within community guidelines it is exempt as it was before the big hoopla. In reality nothing has changed except public awareness.

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11-23-2015 05:05 PM  34 months agoPost 4
BarracudaHockey

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your rc heli is not a uas until it is used commercially. A "model" rc heli is not subject to the registration. As long as the model is flown for entertainment use and done so within community guidelines it is exempt as it was before the big hoopla. In reality nothing has changed except public awareness.
Wrong.

And FWIW these aren't the requirements, they are the recommendations of the task force to the FAA

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11-23-2015 05:32 PM  34 months agoPost 5
TheMainShaft

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Don't celebrate too soon. Nothing is official yet.

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11-23-2015 06:16 PM  34 months agoPost 6
Heli_Splatter

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OK now the FAA will have to disappoint.
This product may be the only scheduled event that the FAA has ever kept. Notice that the FAA did not participate.

I do not see this registration process happening for the forth coming Christmas season.

So, how is this supposed to work? Drone/Heli/Plane crashes into property on the ground... pilot choose not to put the registration mark on the aircraft. How are they going to track it anywhere? I see this system as almost worthless.

I think that serial#s need to be associated with a person to have any "Teeth" in this matter. Serial No#s of engines, motors, escs, receivers, MR control units, batteries, aircraft frames, all need to be reported during sales and reselling process. Each of these components needs to be associated with an individual.

sUAS Registration just got totally watered down with self-reporting.

What are penalties for not having a registration ID affixed? Why do other taxpayers have to pay for a registration system that they will likely never need or use?

I am posting, not to troll, but to point out some flaws with the proposed system. The FAA does not have to accept the recommendations.

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11-23-2015 06:48 PM  34 months agoPost 7
don s

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Solves nothing.

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11-23-2015 08:45 PM  34 months agoPost 8
ssmith512

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Sweet! Maybe they will hire the same top notch web programmers that gave us the online ObamaCare Exchange service. What could POSSIBLY go wrong!?!?!

Steve

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11-24-2015 01:39 AM  34 months agoPost 9
dkshema

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Those who register would most likely be those who weren't part of the problem to begin with.

Those who are the problem have no incentive to register. If it can't be tracked to an individual, then there will be no way to exact a penalty.

Does anyone expect the local lawman to stop by their flying site to card everyone there, from time to time, now?

Lots of money and time spent, nothing to really show for it. Your tax dollars at work.

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11-24-2015 01:48 AM  34 months agoPost 10
dkshema

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I think that serial#s need to be associated with a person to have any "Teeth" in this matter. Serial No#s of engines, motors, escs, receivers, MR control units, batteries, aircraft frames, all need to be reported during sales and reselling process. Each of these components needs to be associated with an individual.
That would be a real mess. Imagine THOSE reporting requirements, and the paperwork involved. Of course the biggest problem is that much of what we use on a daily basis has no serial number to start with.

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11-24-2015 02:35 AM  34 months agoPost 11
elmobad

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The only requirement that a modeler will need is a copy of this:
Model aircraft operations are for hobby or recreational purposes only.
* Fly below 400 feet and remain clear of surrounding obstacles 
* Keep the aircraft within visual line of sight at all times 
* Remain well clear of and do not interfere with manned aircraft operations 
* Don't fly within 5 miles of an airport unless you contact the airport and control tower before flying 
* Don't fly near people or stadiums 
* Don't fly an aircraft that weighs more than 55 lbs 
* Don't be careless or reckless with your unmanned aircraft – you could be fined for endangering people or other aircraft

The statutory parameters of a model aircraft operation are outlined in Section 336 of Public Law 112-95 (the FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012) (PDF). Individuals who fly within the scope of these parameters do not require permission to operate their UAS; any flight outside these parameters (including any non-hobby, non-recreational operation) requires FAA authorization. For example, using a UAS to take photos for your personal use is recreational; using the same device to take photographs or videos for compensation or sale to another individual would be considered a non-recreational operation.

Done this current BS with the faa won't stand up in court as long as you follow those guide lines.

The registration BS is what it is BS. The faa can't make rules, LAWS are allready on books that forbid this. So the faa can shake there very small weak stick all they want.

I also talked to a few cops I know about this. They laughed pretty hard.

GOT FBL?

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11-24-2015 03:17 AM  34 months agoPost 12
mr dan

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So please explain to me, if we simply register, no id numbers or means of identification on our helis, plane, and them damn quadcopters ,multicopters... whats the point of registration ?
This doesnt make any sense or point. I would think these guys who buy multicopters in a shop or online should be the ones to register that craft before they walk out the door or receive one.

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11-24-2015 03:47 AM  34 months agoPost 13
don s

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The only thing it will do is create a list of suspects, voluntary of course.

E820, Raptor G4N, X50F/E, E620, Forza 450, and some planks.

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11-24-2015 04:12 AM  34 months agoPost 14
ICUR1-2

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The only thing it will do is create a list of suspects, voluntary of course
like facebook or twitter

spending time, paying attention

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11-24-2015 04:13 AM  34 months agoPost 15
TMoore

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Can y'all imagine the increased workload that the FAA would see if they started getting reports after the registration is put into place that included Registration numbers in the reports. I can see lots of potential for fraudulent reporting, legal actions in response to these reports, many times the 100 incident reports that they say are coming per month now. What happens if the numbers are transposed in the reports, or just plain wrong? Will a SWAT team in full armor show up at your house, break your door down, confiscate all your models, computers, cell phones, freeze your bank accounts, place a lien on your house? What's the due process here? What happens if a vindictive neighbor decides they don't like the noise, the sound of the blades or they see a model flying over their house and says hey, I don't know who owns that drone but doesn't Jimmy up the street fly models? Oh yeah, well I have his N number it must be his. Let's make that call.

All these things are possible and can happen, we've seen similar things take place in our history, except now there will be a registration number visible on the model. All it takes is a pissed off individual and the merry go round starts and there may not be a way to get off......all because the FAA won't go after the real cause of this situation. Modeling is not the problem.

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11-24-2015 04:42 AM  34 months agoPost 16
revmix

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what's the big deal
free as RR forum & have to register here too

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11-24-2015 05:06 AM  34 months agoPost 17
don s

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It is mentioned in the document that you are allowed to conceal the number so long as you can get to it without tools (behind a battery hatch).

Last page, A-2.

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11-24-2015 11:53 AM  34 months agoPost 18
dialarotor

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Come on AMA
lobby for us to use our AMA number. Have had to put that on models at NATS competitions since the 1960's, was part of the inspection, processing procedure night before competition.
Heck when I was a kid, you got a bunch of ID stickers for filling out your name address, AMA# for attaching to your model or placing inside. Just glued on inside or where convenient and gave them a coat of dope or urethane to make them fuel proof. Now I just stick
mail address stickers on components in the aircraft.

RapRexSynLogo Pilot

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11-24-2015 11:56 AM  34 months agoPost 19
Heli_Splatter

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What is the purpose of the FAA registering sUAS's? That is the central question of all of that.

If it is to create a mailing list to send out safety information, the data already exists with the current suppliers.

If it is to provide a forensics trail to track criminal activity, then the the proposal spelled out by this working group is an abject, total, dismal failure at every level.

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11-24-2015 01:04 PM  34 months agoPost 20
jharkin

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The purpose appears to be written right in the opening section of the document - to be able to identify an owner in cases of accident etc.

Yes I know you going to argue that anyone who intends to do harm wont register so why bother. Using that logic, why bother registering you car?

-Jeremy
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