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12-01-2015 03:01 PM  34 months agoPost 41
Eury

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Why do people think that? Go do a search for the original grey framed Trex. No, not even close to a clone.

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12-01-2015 03:07 PM  34 months agoPost 42
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If windows copied Apple and LG and Samsung copied Iphone. All this help to bring the price down and it is up to the consumer to make that decision.
We want people flying helis. Perhaps when they get better, they might get a better helicopter.
No everybody has $300 or more to spend after he or she crashed.
Merry Xmas. Sorry if somebody get offended ;-)

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12-01-2015 03:32 PM  34 months agoPost 43
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No everybody has $300 or more to spend after he or she crashed.
Merry Xmas. Sorry if somebody get offended ;-)
or 300 for a gyro or hobby does not have to be so expensive
things can be built and sold for less but everyone knows Americans have money to throw away.

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12-01-2015 03:49 PM  34 months agoPost 44
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You can spend your time innovating or litigating. I can tell you that companies that innovate last longer than companies that litigate. The companies that relied on litigation and forgot how to innovate are lying in landfills all over the world.

I would like to see an American company build helicopters again but honestly it's not what we as a nation are good at. Sure, Carbon Extreme is out there and I wish them nothing but the best but honestly they aren't a factor in this market.
sure
If all you do is support the cloners, eventually the people who ACTUALLY design and innovate will be gone. Then you will never have any new models, just the same old clones....Don't support these guys,they are thieves plain and simple...
unfortunately some people are in the mood to buck the originals who they believe bills too much. The cost to amortize molds, r+d, field testing, market research, all a part of the higher cost. When a clone company comes along they can sell factory direct and bypass those original costs, this is where the clones become a real problem.

Again, when there's much to explore there is no need to clone, yet it is impossible to mimic design aspects of different helis in the pursuit of originality these days when like music most everything has been done, certainly not EVERYTHING that I guarantee.

Hey IFHELI, I took a second look at your vid in big screen mode, nice going clone or not.

With a clone I'd be in a mood to fly hard and fast while the original I would hold back being so perfect and sweet, hate to mess it up, that's where the cheepy can fit in fly it and f it.

$300 plus an esc, servos, rx/gyro, you've now doubled the price still, you might save a hundred bucks over the sab version. Tendency is to bling out the original with higher dollar components, would you put a 3gx, a Tarot zyx, Robird, any $50 gyro on an original? but you very well would on the clone no doubt.

To deter cloning a company has got to offer the intro grade, medium grade, and high grade levels of production like Shimano , everyone, does with bikes, like car companies do with "economy" and
PREMIUM" autos, camera companies, cell phones, laptops, household appliances, the list has no end. Make an intro level with rough cnc finish, low tolerance fit, mild steel components, use once and throw away bearings, glass fiber boom and frames, etc etc, the clones would not be able to see an attractive edge when the cost of "intro" is less than the imitation of middle or high grade helis,,,,, AND THE CLONE, thas how it izzzzz, all made from the same cnc/mold/cad. Let the econo buyers upgrade at their own discretion and you supply upgrades already to deter the "upgrade" companies. HEYO, who asked the "upgrade" companies to upgrade anything if they weren't asked and the supplied product is great as is (the worst was seeing LOGO was upgraded with a prime component and the advertiser used LOGO's name right in the ad).

Most guys who buy something pretty keep them on the shelves to admire and fly a beater, if they fly at all.

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12-01-2015 04:23 PM  34 months agoPost 45
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Why do people think that? Go do a search for the original grey framed Trex. No, not even close to a clone.
Actually, the 450x does use a similar collective arm setup as a raptor 30.

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12-01-2015 04:47 PM  34 months agoPost 46
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the blade helicopters all look like they are made from the align designs

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12-01-2015 05:19 PM  34 months agoPost 47
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the blade helicopters all look like they are made from the align designs
I'm as much about blaming a company for copying another company as the next guy, but I don't see it.

Servo arrangements are different, mostly dfc vs not dfc, mostly shaft drive vs mostly belt. The original blade 400 did use a belt drive similar to the trx style, but I don't think anyone would argue the B400 wasn't "unique".

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12-01-2015 06:05 PM  34 months agoPost 48
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Actually, the 450x does use a similar collective arm setup as a raptor 30.
What is this "collective arm"? Are you talking about the elevator servo bell crank arrangement? The 450X is a CCPM heli and it doesn't have any separate mechanical parts to achieve collective control. All three cyclic servos move in the same direction at the same time to input the same amount of travel on their respective arms of the swash. That's what CCPM is.

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12-01-2015 06:46 PM  34 months agoPost 49
Eury

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Actually, the 450x does use a similar collective arm setup as a raptor 30.
Sure, because that original Trex was mechanical mix. A similar collective arm setup was shared by most mechanical helis, the head is nothing like it, it's a totally different size, different frame shape, different power system etc. a similar collective arm doesn't make it a clone.

HeimD, he is referring to the original Trex 450x. It was a mechanical mix Heli, not ccpm.

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12-01-2015 09:18 PM  34 months agoPost 50
IFHELI

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Even the canopy was similar.

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12-01-2015 09:29 PM  34 months agoPost 51
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icanfly,

Thank you... If it had not been for the Devil 380 I would have never bought my G380. The G380 was never in mind to buy. I always hated the looks of it.

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12-02-2015 12:44 AM  34 months agoPost 52
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HeimD, he is referring to the original Trex 450x. It was a mechanical mix Heli, not ccpm.
Oh... Clown said Blade right after the post and I was thinking of the Blade 450X. LOL

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12-02-2015 11:53 AM  34 months agoPost 53
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Here is another link with a review on the 450x, it is fun to compare that with the goblin. Only 10 short years ago it was like coming out of the heli dark ages, the review is impressed there are no z-bends!! and recommends grinding a flat spot in the tail shaft. I actually think I like that head design over the large flybar cage on later models, the plastic mold quality looks about the same lol... The review is dated 2005, seems like by then most radios would have ccpm.. and it would have been easier to just jam some servos under the swash than work out the mechanical mixing.

http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/...?article_id=572

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12-02-2015 03:56 PM  34 months agoPost 54
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so that trex looks nearly identical to a Raptor 30/50, well I'll be danged. hmm, Trex,,,,,,Raptor, what do you make of that? CLONE, cept little size, sell more, fly in local park, mo betta for eveybody, hehehehehe.

Is that why Align was constantly MALIGNED?

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12-02-2015 05:43 PM  34 months agoPost 55
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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WrONG TOPIC LOL

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12-02-2015 06:14 PM  34 months agoPost 56
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I thought so too at first, then we have to be reminded how align has taken ideas from say KDE and made it their own, dfc, tt, maybe several other details. Sure there's only so much that can be done but then the ideas become stale. Clone everyone and no new freshness comes to market and everyone gets bored, then goes to quads or truggys or fpv racing, boats, something else but helis to get their rc fix. It's a wonderful world of toys ain't it?

Honestly, if one were to design a ground up rc heli they could not help but borrow design ideas from other rc helis today, nearly impossible. anyway, the "Freshness" of an original new design is lost when a clone comes around. The clone is one you can beat down and not have a months rent invested. When OEM companies get the bigger picture out there now that the East has gotten into the game hard they would respect the buyer who wants low cost OPTIONS.

Farrari don't make an "econo" car do they? maybe I'm wrong, have they been cloned? maybe not but they have been mimicked.

It is hard to be different these days.

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12-03-2015 06:42 PM  34 months agoPost 57
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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gart goblin clone
now gart is coming PRE ORDER SAB GOBIN 500 SPORT - USA LIMITED EDITION SG511
https://tmkarc1hobby.com/sab-gobin-...tion-sg511.html

lol
https://tmkarc1hobby.com/sab-gobin-...tion-sg511.html

609 id try one

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...&type=3&theater

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12-04-2015 02:12 AM  34 months agoPost 58
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I can't see the FB link, but the other links look like a legitimate Sab product?

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12-04-2015 05:12 PM  34 months agoPost 59
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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I can't see the FB link, but the other links look like a legitimate Sab product
ON THE SIDE OF THE CANOPY SAYS GART

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12-04-2015 06:12 PM  34 months agoPost 60
Eury

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No it doesn't. It says "500 Sport". SAB themselves are advertising that.

http://www.sabitaly.it

Scroll down and you'll see it.

Gart is not even how the clone manufacturer spells it. It's Gartt.

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