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09-14-2015 01:01 AM  3 years agoPost 1
raildog

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It seems the two can not be adjusted separately like 5.3 software. I have tried alot of thing but seems my elevator flips are very slow with everything maxed out.I also tried 9 to 10 deg on cyclic pitch during setup.This did help, but the end result was still not that fast and a more aggressive iratic Heli .

Any same issues out there?

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09-14-2015 01:59 AM  3 years agoPost 2
Dan Minick

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I think the only thing you can do is change the servo horn length. I have noticed even with my rates all the way up I fond myself wanting more at times. Have not yet pursued a change myself though

You could also change ball lengths. But that's another story

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09-14-2015 02:08 AM  3 years agoPost 3
raildog

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Ya that may be a good idea.I have tried increased cyclic ring numbers to max before they bind and just doesn't get the job done like 5.3 software

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09-14-2015 06:29 PM  3 years agoPost 4
hemp

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I haven't had an issue with flip/roll rates as compared with 5.3. I have noticed the Yaw rate on the Neo (hardware) seems to be lower than with blue line and mini-v's, but they have the new tail overdrive option so that can easily be compensated.

For your specific issue, I would post your question on vstabi.info and I'm sure Rainer or Eddi will have some ideas for you. My suggestion would be to increase the pitch applied during cyclic setup (as you mentioned) then use expo to tame it down around center if that makes it too twitchy for you.


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09-15-2015 01:53 AM  3 years agoPost 5
KevinB

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Are you talking about blueline/silverline or NEOs raildog?

On the NEOs, both the tailrotor AND cyclic rates become slower for a given agility number. If you are already maxed out on your agility with a blue/silver (120), then your tail and cyclic rates are slower at that setting moving to a NEO. Only the tail speed could be regained through the Tail Overdrive in the Pro tail settings. I raised this on the VBar site. The name of my thread was "Cyclic overdrive app for NEO?" in the VControl section.
I have no issues with the cyclic or TR speed on bluelines/silverlines being driven by a VControl.

After Eddi and Uli did some testing at IRCHA, Uli posted the following in my thread:
We will integrate the overdrives (tail and cyclic) in the next firmware update, so no special apps are needed.
We just need to be patient. Until then, I'm just using silverline external sensors with my NEOs. Once the firmware update arrives, I'll remove the external sensors and be able to increase the tail and cyclic rates to where I like them.

Awesome VBar customer service..............as always.

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09-15-2015 02:26 PM  3 years agoPost 6
raildog

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I was using v control with silver line pro.

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09-16-2015 02:36 AM  3 years agoPost 7
KevinB

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Ahh. Sorry, but I don't have any issues with the agility of my silverlines being driven by a VControl.

To confirm, you have your cyclic agility set to 120, your fore/aft flip is really slow, and your left/right flip is slow but not as slow as the fore/aft axis?
Your flip rates were fine running the same heli/silverline from a non-VControl transmitter? Are you flying other helis with your VControl that have good cyclic response?

You've checked the cyclic 8 degree setup. And the cyclic ring setting is giving you the max physical swash tilt at bottom, center, and top collective stick? What is your cyclic ring value?
When you are checking this, check swash tilt both ways for both left/right and fore/aft directions in each collective position. There shouldn't be any binding in any of these combinations. I personally use a slow stir of the cyclic in each of the 3 collective positions to set the max cyclic ring setting possible with zero binding of the servos in any spot.

Have you checked that perhaps the main optimizer value is really low and the cyclic optimizer is off.....so it can't correct? If you are at 120 cyclic agility, manually set the cyclic optimizer to 60 and make sure the optimizer is turned on for your next flight. Do some flips and rolls and see what value the system adjusts it to.

If you are using your VControl on other helis that have good cyclic speed, the next paragraph can probably be ignored....but it wouldn't hurt to check either.
You could look at the TX Setup of the VControl. Go into the Assign and Calibrate section and see what the Aileron and Elevator readouts are as you move the cyclic stick full deflections. If you aren't getting 100% in both directions, re-calibrate the cyclic stick so that you are seeing 100 both ways on both axis. While you're in there, you might as well check the left stick (Pitch and Rudder) for 100% travel both ways as well. NOTE: this is a transmitter setting and will affect all models being flown with this VControl.

A really nose or tail heavy heli will move slower on the fore/aft axis than the roll axis. BTW, what kind of heli are we talking about here? Is the fore/aft balance close to the mainshaft?

Sorry.....that's about all I can think of for now. Let us know if you found any odd values in any of the settings above and what model of heli it is.

As hemp already mentioned, I would post your problem on the vstabi forum. If anyone can solve a tough problem, it will be them. They will probably ask for your setup file and maybe some flight logs too, so you might as well save a copy of those before you change too much.

Good luck!

KevinB

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09-16-2015 04:11 AM  3 years agoPost 8
raildog

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Yes 120 on agility.
The roll rate is actually fast.
It's been balanced and this is a synergy e5 stretch.
I have maxed out cyclic ring to binding, then reduced numbers to relive binding.
I've tried 8deg all the way up to 10 deg cyclic.
I was running dx9 with 5.3 pro and no issues, but have Not used v control on another Heli besides the synergy E5s.
I will keep testing and messing with it.Thanks for all the help

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09-16-2015 01:36 PM  3 years agoPost 9
KevinB

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Did you verify your elevator control is giving -100 +100 in the Tx setup?
Aside from that, create a topic in the VControl thread over at the VBar forum and hopefully they can diagnose what's going on.....or maybe they'll bring back separate optimizer values for cyclic???

Good luck!

KevinB

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09-16-2015 04:44 PM  3 years agoPost 10
Kevin Dalrymple

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What size heli did you pick in Vcontrol when you did your set up? Is you heli set up from an 550 or a 600 or 700?

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09-16-2015 09:38 PM  3 years agoPost 11
raildog

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The radio definitely had 100% travel during setup. The Heli is based off a 550 size. I believe I picked 600 because the blades are 603.Mabe that's a issue.Thanks for all the support

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