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06-23-2015 12:42 PM  3 years agoPost 1
es1co2bar3

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Those people who upheld and believe fundamentally in the Confederate flag,
They're conditions to believe in there own inferiority,

Scr_w the black guy on how he feel about it That what they saying.

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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06-23-2015 12:56 PM  3 years agoPost 2
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yep, we don't care. Because it's asinine to be offended by a piece of cloth.
And why would you care??? Were your ancestors slaves here???

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06-23-2015 01:41 PM  3 years agoPost 3
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We have folks here talking about it heritage this aren't no diam heritage,
Its symbolized Racism, hate, slavery. The flag was defeated
What the point of flying it.

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06-23-2015 01:45 PM  3 years agoPost 4
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So it's okay for Mexicans and people from other countries to fly there flag in America, but no one can fly a flag that is part of American history, is that what you're saying?

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06-23-2015 02:16 PM  3 years agoPost 5
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perfectly said.
But here's the thing, if you want to remove it as a state flag, I can ALMOST see that. But that's not the problem.
The next step is to make it a crime for INDIVIDUALS to display that flag. That's a 1st amendment issue. But that won't matter to the PC/Libtard crowd.

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06-23-2015 03:10 PM  3 years agoPost 6
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No, next step is changing street names , building names , town names , city names , airport names , and then remove statues.....

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06-23-2015 05:28 PM  3 years agoPost 7
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Hey man there is no fantasy in confederacy ok, think of the
Reason why the civil war was fought to end it.

defending confederatism is like saying I support minor people being on a plantation.

One Congress man say asking of the removal of the flags is like getting Rid of the Crutifix of Jesus Christ.

Are you freken kiding me.

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06-23-2015 05:35 PM  3 years agoPost 8
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so.... you think if we get rid of a piece of cloth, everything will be OK??? Of course it won't.
So what's next??? Banning southern accents???
Nothing will ever satisfy you guys cause you think nothing is your fault.

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06-23-2015 05:57 PM  3 years agoPost 9
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FHB you're nut bro if you consider it a piece of cloth why are you outrage when the Muslims stand on the national Flag
And even burning it. The confederatism symbolize something
it no big deal to you for you never was on a plantation.
NO ONE had ever saddle you up like donkey.

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06-23-2015 06:46 PM  3 years agoPost 10
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This is probably a waste of time , BUT, The civil war was about the Confederate States seceding from the union. Nothing to do with slavery. Abe Lincoln himself said he didn't care one way or the other, no matter to him.
The Confederate flag is heritage as it is the history of our country.

FYI Many more Black slave owners than White slave owners. Many more White (Irish) slaves than Black.

Learn our history, if you choose to aurgue it.

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06-23-2015 07:59 PM  3 years agoPost 11
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On November 6, 1860 Abraham Lincoln was elected President of the United States -- an event that outraged southern states. The Republican party had run on an anti-slavery platform, and many southerners felt that there was no longer a place for them in the Union. On December 20, 1860, South Carolina seceded. By Febrary 1, 1861, six more states -- Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, and Texas -- had split from the Union. The seceded states created the Confederate States of America and elected Jefferson Davis, a Mississippi Senator, as their provisional president.

In his inaugural address, delivered on March 4, 1861, Lincoln proclaimed that it was his duty to maintain the Union. He also declared that he had no intention of ending slavery where it existed, or of repealing the Fugitive Slave Law -- a position that horrified African Americans and their white allies. Lincoln's statement, however, did not satisfy the Confederacy, and on April 12 they attacked Fort Sumter, a federal stronghold in Charleston, South Carolina. Federal troops returned the fire. The Civil War had begun.

Immediately following the attack, four more states -- Virginia, Arkansas, North Carolina, and Tennessee -- severed their ties with the Union. To retain the loyalty of the remaining border states -- Delaware, Maryland, Kentucky, and Missouri -- President Lincoln insisted that the war was not about slavery or black rights; it was a war to preserve the Union. His words were not simply aimed at the loyal southern states, however -- most white northerners were not interested in fighting to free slaves or in giving rights to black people. For this reason, the government turned away African American voluteers who rushed to enlist. Lincoln upheld the laws barring blacks from the army, proving to northern whites that their race privilege would not be threatened.

There was an exception, however. African Americans had been working aboard naval vessels for years, and there was no reason that they should continue. Black sailors were therefore accepted into the U.S. Navy from the beginning of the war. Still, many African Americans wanted to join the fighting and continued to put pressure on federal authorities. Even if Lincoln was not ready to admit it, blacks knew that this was a war against slavery. Some, however, rejected the idea of fighting to preserve a Union that had rejected them and which did not give them the rights of citizens. 

The federal government had a harder time deciding what to do about escaping slaves. Because there was no consistent federal policy regarding fugitives, individual commanders made their own decisions. Some put them to work for the Union forces; others wanted to return them to their owners. Finally, on August 6, 1861, fugitive slaves were declared to be "contraband of war" if their labor had been used to aid the Confederacy in any way. And if found to be contraband, they were declared free.

As the northern army pushed southward, thousands of fugitives fled across Union lines. Neither the federal authorities nor the army were prepared for the flood of people, and many of the refugees suffered as a result. Though the government attempted to provide them with confiscated land, there was not enough to go around. Many fugitives were put into crowded camps, where starvation and disease led to a high death rate. Northern citizens, black and white alike, stepped in to fill the gap. They organized relief societies and provided aid. They also organized schools to teach the freedmen, women, and children to read and write, thus giving an education to thousands of African Americans throughout the war.

Though "contraband" slaves had been declared free, Lincoln continued to insist that this was a war to save the Union, not to free slaves. But by 1862, Lincoln was considering emancipation as a necessary step toward winning the war. The South was using enslaved people to aid the war effort. Black men and women were forced to build fortifications, work as blacksmiths, nurses, boatmen, and laundresses, and to work in factories, hospitals, and armories. In the meantime, the North was refusing to accept the services of black volunteers and freed slaves, the very people who most wanted to defeat the slaveholders. In addition, several governments in Europe were considering recognizing the Confederacy and intervening against the Union. If Lincoln declared this a war to free the slaves, European public opinion would overwhelmingly back the North.

On July 22, 1862, Lincoln showed a draft of the preliminary Emancipation Proclamation to his cabinet. It proposed to emancipate the slaves in all rebel areas on January 1, 1863. Secretary of State William H. Seward agreed with the proposal, but cautioned Lincoln to wait until the Union had a major victory before formally issuing the proclamation. Lincoln's chance came after the Union victory at the Battle of Antietam in September of 1862. He issued the preliminary Emancipation Proclamation on September 22. The proclamation warned the Confederate states to surrender by January 1, 1863, or their slaves would be freed. 

Some people were critical of the proclamation for only freeing some of the slaves. Others, including Frederick Douglass, were jubilant. Douglass felt that it was the beginning of the end of slavery, and that it would act as a "moral bombshell" to the Confederacy. Yet he and others feared that Lincoln would give in to pressure from northern conservatives, and would fail to keep his promise. Despite the opposition, however, the president remained firm. On January 1, 1863, he issued the final Emancipation Proclamation. With it he officially freed all slaves within the states or parts of states that were in rebellion and not in Union hands. This left one million slaves in Union territory still in bondage. 

Throughout the North, African Americans and their white allies were exhuberant. They packed churches and meeting halls and celebrated the news. In the South, most slaves did not hear of the proclamation for months. But the purpose of the Civil War had now changed. The North was not only fighting to preserve the Union, it was fighting to end slavery. 

Throughout this time, northern black men had continued to pressure the army to enlist them. A few individual commanders in the field had taken steps to recruit southern African Americans into their forces. But it was only after Lincoln issued the final Emancipation Proclamation that the federal army would officially accept black soldiers into its ranks. 

African American men rushed to enlist. This time they were accepted into all-black units. The first of these was the Fifty-fourth Massachusetts Colored Regiment, led by white officer Robert Gould Shaw. Their heroism in combat put to rest worries over the willingness of black soldiers to fight. Soon other regiments were being formed, and in May 1863 the War Department established the Bureau of Colored Troops. 

Black recruiters, many of them abolitionists such as Frederick Douglass, Henry Highland Garnet, and Mary Ann Shadd Cary, brought in troops from throughout the North. Douglass proclaimed, "I urge you to fly to arms and smite with death the power that would bury the government and your liberty in the same hopeless grave." Others, such as Harriet Tubman, recruited in the South. On March 6, 1863, the Secretary of War was informed that "seven hundred and fifty blacks who were waiting for an opportunity to join the Union Army had been rescued from slavery under the leadership of Harriet Ross Tubman...." By the end of the war more than 186,000 black soldiers had joined the Union army; 93,000 from the Confederate states, 40,000 from the border slave states, and 53,000 from the free states.

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06-23-2015 08:06 PM  3 years agoPost 12
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The war was fought for many reason the Republican was Anti slave, and the Confederate wasn't happy about that.
And this was the tippin point.

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06-23-2015 08:13 PM  3 years agoPost 13
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This is what someone from the south thinks of the confederate flag

Watch at YouTube

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06-23-2015 08:20 PM  3 years agoPost 14
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it no big deal to you for you never was on a plantation.
NO ONE had ever saddle you up like donkey.
So.... tell me when was the last time you, or any of your family was ever enslaved. You're a total idiot.
Plus, you do realize it was YOUR people that sold their brothers into slavery right???

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06-23-2015 09:34 PM  3 years agoPost 15
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So it's okay for Mexicans and people from other countries to fly there flag in America,
No. Just no. It's not OK and I challenge anyone to go to another country and start waving your flag around. It'll get your a$$ beaten, deported, or killed.

I know we have a First Amendment but it's UNDER THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION.

You wave a flag that isn't the United States trying to invoke the law of the United States to push that right. That makes no sense.

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06-23-2015 10:36 PM  3 years agoPost 16
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In his inaugural address, delivered on March 4, 1861, Lincoln proclaimed that it was his duty to maintain the Union. He also declared that he had no intention of ending slavery where it existed, or of repealing the Fugitive Slave Law -- a position that horrified African Americans and their white allies. Lincoln's statement, however, did not satisfy the Confederacy, and on April 12 they attacked Fort Sumter, a federal stronghold in Charleston, South Carolina. Federal troops returned the fire. The Civil War had begun.
What part of this don't you understand?

It was a "non-subject" to both sides. Neither side cared at all.
It made NO difference.

White slaves, Black slaves, it made NO difference.

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06-23-2015 10:38 PM  3 years agoPost 17
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In fairness, Obama has stated the same thing regarding guns. He has no intention of taking them. (Yeah, right).

But everyone knows that a politician will say what is expedient at the time. I suspect Abe did a similar thing in his inaugural. He was a known abolitionist. Most of the country was appalled by slavery. It had ended in supposedly less free and enlightened nations. And here we were, land of the free, still having states clinging onto it. It was all but certain that it would come up to a vote in time. He was simply trying to prevent a war. Honestly, if he lied to prevent a bloody civil war, I can only applaud the man for it.

Slavery. SO glad it's gone. It's disgusting that it took bloodshed to rid ourselves of it. Other countries were rid of it without bloodshed. We spent good American lives to do something that should have been done at the founding. A simple reading of the Declaration will make it so easy to see that slavery does NOT coincide. Sad. A blight on our history and has cast doubt on the philosophy of the country. We try to turn to the founding fathers but their error in this regard makes attacks on the founding easier. I cannot tell you how often I repel attacks on the Constitution based on the failings of the writers.

It's just good that we fixed it. Wish it could have been without bloodshed.

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06-23-2015 10:58 PM  3 years agoPost 18
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You guys missed that Abe didn't start the war. He didn't care. The Confederate States tried to secede.
It was about federal control over the states wishes. On any subject, alcohol taxes, tobacco taxes, trade control, etc. etc.
We see this today as the federal mary-jay-wanna laws that the feds insist they have a "right" to enforce. And anything else the "king" sees fit for the minions.

Had nothing to do with skin color.

Slaves could be purchased in any shade of your liking.

Deal with it.

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06-23-2015 11:01 PM  3 years agoPost 19
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The Confederate States tried to secede.
Because slavery was going to soon be put to a vote. As stated, it'd ended in the supposedly lesser enlightened and free nations. It's peril was at hand, and they knew it. So they preempted by secession.

It was a war that started at the behest of rich elite southerners. Poor Confederate and Union soldiers had to die in order to correct what freedom-hating elites would not simply allow to pass.

Defending this heritage is a bit reprehensible.

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06-23-2015 11:21 PM  3 years agoPost 20
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Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves, right? Well, the truth is a bit more complicated than that; actually, the truth is very complicated, leading even usually sober commentators such as the venerable historian Lerone Bennett Jr.

to cry “foul,” and to do so quite bitterly, suggesting that black people have been sold a bill of goods when it comes to “The Great Emancipator.” This week’s column, honoring another important anniversary of the Civil War, attempts to answer that question, a question as complex as Lincoln’s attitudes toward the black people he was seeking to liberate, attitudes that led Frederick Douglass himself to call Lincoln, a decade following his assassination, “the white man’s president.”

The simple answer is yes, and no. As we saw in my column last month (“Who Legalized Arming Black Men to Kill Confederates?Emancipation Proclamation, despite its enormous symbolic significance, did not abolish the institution of slavery in the United States. Rather, it “freed” any slave in the Confederate states (that’s right—it did not apply to states in the Union in which slavery remained legal) who could manage to flee her or his plantation and make their way behind liberating Union lines.

Historians estimate that as many as 500,000 black people managed to do this. So we might say that these black people freed themselves. To put this number into a bit of perspective, in 1860 there were about 3.9 million enslaved African Americans, which means that by the end of the Civil War, some 3.4 million black people remained in bondage, in spite of the Emancipation Proclamation. So why are African Americans free today? Because of the 13th Amendment to the Constitution, which Lincoln, especially, knew was essential for the permanent abolition of slavery.

Friday, Jan. 31, marks the 149th anniversary of the 13th Amendment’s triumphant passage through the House of Representatives en route to Abraham Lincoln’s desk and then eventual ratification by the states. Not only was the amendment’s command abolishing slavery the climax of Steven Spielberg’s 2012 film Lincoln, it was the high point of the American Civil War, fulfilling in the timeless book of law what President Abraham Lincoln had initiated only as a wartime measure in the Emancipation Proclamation two years before. As Lincoln himself would explain in his second inaugural address on March 4, 1865, the 13th Amendment (he didn’t refer to it by name) offered redemption for what many believed was the 

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