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06-25-2015 12:43 PM  3 years agoPost 41
chicagoslick

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These are some great videos on youtube describing how to setup some of the features....Invaluable for doing quick setup.

Click on this link and watch the video. Also subscribe to his channel and watch how he programs the cgy750 among other useful videos...

Watch at YouTube

I have been following this thread like many I'm sure, and at the end of the day there are a lot of great points being made. There is nothing wrong with brand loyalty, comfort, innovation, and down right ease of use. We should expect this of all the radio manufacturers. SO people should continue to provide feedback and ask for the features they desire. This is just one of the many ways the radio manufacturers get better and provide the features people want. Also, go to your local hobby shops, got to the air shows (XFC, IRCHA, fun fly's, etc), and spend time interfacing with AMA clubs and express your opinions there as well....

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06-25-2015 04:47 PM  3 years agoPost 42
jharkin

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I have the 14sg , and the DX9 Black. The 14 sg is a dinosaur compared to the programing on the DX9. Futaba tends to let you know just how smart they are by making their programing as complicated as they can make it.
Futaba's programming is not intuitive at all. And their manuals are dreadful. I'm an admitted Futaba fan and I freely admit it. It does tend to be - on the low and midrange sets at least - more flexible than JR/Spectrum. I always though of Futaba catering to folks who wanted the ultimate in customizability, and JR to ease of use. Kind of like linux vs. apple.

(and yes I know the top of line Spek and JR sets now have most of that flexibility.... but I do remember the days when you couldn't even move switch assignments on JR... what the heck?)

For that reason I actually often tell newcomers to the club to look at Spektrum for their first radio, in spite of preferring and owning all Futaba myself. the programming is easier to understand and there are more people using them.

For me, I'll stick with the flexibility of Futaba... Flying complex giant scale fixed wing for example I would not want to go back to the Spectrum world of having locked in channel assignments.

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06-25-2015 07:40 PM  3 years agoPost 43
rpat

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jharkin,
Just to let you know Spektrum DMSX IS channel hopping. That is the reason that I finally made the jump to Spektrum, But I still fly my turbine on my 14sg.

trex 700fbl cal30,minititan,, trx600fbl,trex250,logo 500,Velocity N2

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06-25-2015 07:51 PM  3 years agoPost 44
Aaron29

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Yeah. Spektrum and JR 2.4 sucked at launch. But that was then. This is now. I don't judge a brand on what they WERE, i judge them on what they are. But some see past failures, even when rectified, as unforgivable.

And that's fine. It's their money and model. Their choice. Futaba has that legacy of fidelity with their 2.4 launch and I can see going with a name you trust. Especially for a TX.

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06-25-2015 08:29 PM  3 years agoPost 45
markrj

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I still like my 14SG. However, I made the "mistake" of holding a Jeti DS16 in my hands and learning about it from the owner, at Mid America this year. I have been casually watching the Jeti ever since I saw them online, which was before the release of the DS14. The DS14 made entry in the world of Jeti a lot less painful from a financial standpoint. I took the bait and ordered one.

A bit heavier than the 14SG but not too much. Feels better in my hands than any other transmitter I have tried.

The 14SG was my first Futaba coming from a Spektrum DX8.

The Jeti has me under it's spell. I will let the 14SG go for a good price if anyone is interested.

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06-25-2015 08:35 PM  3 years agoPost 46
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still using my dx7

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06-26-2015 12:10 AM  3 years agoPost 47
jharkin

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jharkin,
Just to let you know Spektrum DMSX IS channel hopping. That is the reason that I finally made the jump to Spektrum, But I still fly my turbine on my 14sg.
Sorry I was not specific enough... when I said "channel assignments" I was referring to the function based output channel assignments in the radio programming. All Futaba FG, SG, MZ series radios are completely function based where any function (throttle, pitch , aileron, etc) can be assigned to any output channel.. ie. I can leave throttle on channel 3, or I can reassign it to 7 or 1 or 12 or whatever I want. AFAIK the only Spektrum set that allows this is the Dx18.

I know lots of folks might wonder whats the value in that.... and basic FBL Heli there is not much. But if you fly turbines jets you probably know exactly what I mean. Remember back in the 72mhz days when Futaba sets had the channel mapping setup to force you to use 2 and 7 for dual elevators (through elevon mix)?... On large aerobatic planes was the biggest pain since there was enough lag that your loops turned into corkscrews, and forget about perfect harriers... I remember using special mixes and servo slow to bypass the built in elevon mix and force it into 2/5 to try to cut the lag down... but it wasn't perfect.

The function system fixed this, now all I have to do is set elevator function to channel 2 and 3 (or 4 and 5 or whatever). No lag, AND it frees up an extra pmix to do something else.

-Jeremy
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06-26-2015 04:16 AM  3 years agoPost 48
newbeee

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I was always a futaba fan boy until I got my first Spektrum. Now I tell folks, Futaba programming is written in Jenglish, and Spektrum is English.

Also, you can now record your own voice prompts for Spektrum products

http://spektrumrc.cachefly.net/apps...dio_editor.html

Futaba is way behind when it comes to quick innovation. Likewise, stick a fork in the CGY 750, it even looks barbaric nowadays. (and I still have 3 of them and still don't understand what many of the menu's really do or mean)

Can't wait the for the EZnov Neuron release very soon, that might be the best FBL system of them all.

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06-26-2015 04:25 AM  3 years agoPost 49
rpat

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newbee,
Where did you hear about this new FBL unit that you mentioned, and what makes it so great?

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06-26-2015 04:45 AM  3 years agoPost 50
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06-26-2015 04:51 AM  3 years agoPost 51
newbeee

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ULTRA POWERFUL latest generation microcontroler STM32F4 with floating point unit
10 connectors for a high power installation and plug tons of servos
2 smart bind sats connectors
Support for H4 helis, hexacopters, octocopters, planes with multiple servos per function, etc.
Built-in barometer (altitude hold)
Support for external GPS (position hold)
Built-in FLASH memory for complete logging of any flight parameter, and analyse them directly in the software

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06-26-2015 05:49 AM  3 years agoPost 52
Aaron29

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Ah yes. Simply must have "floating point unit"...whatever that is. Uhm what is that? LOL I can't keep up with the tech. Now my FBL sucks cuz it doesn't have no floating point unit! (I keed I keed)

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06-26-2015 11:09 AM  3 years agoPost 53
rpat

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Now if it sells for $79.99 I'm in, and if I get tired of it on my helis I can put it on one of my slabs....kool.

trex 700fbl cal30,minititan,, trx600fbl,trex250,logo 500,Velocity N2

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06-26-2015 01:48 PM  3 years agoPost 54
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Funny how if it is for a heli it is $240.00, if it is for a slab it is $79.00......there is one born every minute...and yes I am one of them.

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06-26-2015 02:11 PM  3 years agoPost 55
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Now my FBL sucks cuz it doesn't have no floating point unit!
LOL

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06-26-2015 04:05 PM  3 years agoPost 56
jharkin

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Simply must have "floating point unit"...whatever that is. Uhm what is that?
Do you remember in the early days of PCs when they sold "math co-processors" (8086 through about 80386) - that's a floating point unit. The FPU is a computer processor specifically designed to do math calculations on floating point numbers (decimals). Back then you bought one if you needed to run a math intensive (CAD) or graphically intensive (games, image/video rendering) program... they where expensive & basic DOS programs where simple enough that it was worth selling as a separate upgrade.

Everything since the 486 and pretty much all modern embedded processors have them built in. The video processor in your computers graphics card is simply a high specialized, very advanced FPU.

I would bet money that every single FBL unit out there already has floating point math ability built into its processor. Its nothing special these days.

Having said all that, I looked up STM32F4. Its a nice chip, looks like basically a low end version of the ARM Cortex embedded processors used in pretty much every smartphone and tablet these days. major difference is this one runs around 100MHz rather than a GHz and less memory. It could well be the mopst powerful processor put into a FBL ???? ( I have no idea)

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06-26-2015 09:40 PM  3 years agoPost 57
Four Stroker

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There is also a new generation of floating point FPGA's.

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06-26-2015 09:49 PM  3 years agoPost 58
Rodney Kirstine

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There is also a new generation of floating point FPGA's.
I would imagine with Intel buying Altera, that's only going to get more common.

Rodney
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06-27-2015 12:39 AM  3 years agoPost 59
EEngineer

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Do you remember in the early days of PCs when they sold "math co-processors" (8086 through about 80386)
Yep, was a relief not to have to design FP S/W algorithms when they came out.

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06-27-2015 01:11 AM  3 years agoPost 60
EEngineer

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I would bet money that every single FBL unit out there already has floating point math ability built into its processor.
Not quite.

The Vstabi Blue MiniV uses a Freescale Semiconductor MC56F8322VFAE
16-bit Digital Signal Controller...having no "floating point math" ability.

There is also no "co-processor" in the MiniV.

There are three Invensense ISZ500 MEMS gyro ICs(now obsolete), and a USB "bridge" IC.

How much money would you have bet and lost?.....

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