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06-18-2015 07:33 PM  5 years ago
Felino

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+1

If OS and YS want to sirvive they need to produce some decent/reliable gasoline heli engines.
I´m happy I can find nitro fuel near home...
For now.
Nitro is simply going black out all the way.
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06-18-2015 07:57 PM  5 years ago
don s

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Market (and vendor) contraction. There still is a market, just a much smaller one.E820, Raptor G4N, X50F/E, E620, Forza 450, and some planks.
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06-18-2015 08:02 PM  5 years ago
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When you consider the RC market, it is pretty small. There's only 2,400 AMA fields and about 140,000 AMA members. I'd estimate 50,000 nitro fliers nationwide would be a high number. Then a manufacturer must share the market with other manufacturers.

I'm not surprised by any of this. It's a market correction. Quads and electrics have altered the landscape.
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06-18-2015 08:34 PM  5 years ago
rudyy

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I thought Hatori also makes pipes for airplanes.
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06-18-2015 08:43 PM  5 years ago
Aaron29

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OS plank engines come with mufflers. So do Super Tigers. And Magnums. In fact, a glance at all offerings from Tower shows every brand includes a muffler.
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06-18-2015 09:08 PM  5 years ago
utahbob

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Hatori?
I asked a co-worker who's been flyin planks all his life..never heard of hatori
I do a great decending funnel!
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06-18-2015 09:35 PM  5 years ago
Aaron29

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Your average planker is going to use the pipe that comes with the engine. Unless he is of extreme performance mind. But the competition and performance minded plankers are in the larger gassers or the F3A electrics.

It's time to wake up, guys. Hate to be the one to break it. I resisted it for a long time. Times are changing.
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06-18-2015 09:37 PM  5 years ago
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Sad day for sure How long will it be before nitro is completely gone?Steve - Mount Joy RC Club
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06-18-2015 09:39 PM  5 years ago
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It's time to wake up, guys. Hate to be the one to break it. I resisted it for a long time.
Truth.

But I am still resisting it, for as long as I can.
Steve
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06-18-2015 09:41 PM  5 years ago
Aaron29

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How long will it be before nitro is completely gone
There will be nitro for the forseeable future, but it won't dominate. I'm not too worried even if it went. The Evolution .10 and .15 gasser planks at my field sound and fly just like nitros. The good news is one way or another there will be internal combustion engines for a long time. The only constant is change. I can roll with most things. My only BIG "holding onto" is RC Helis at all. Quads may eventually transform this hobby altogether at which point I'm gone, LOL.
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06-18-2015 09:53 PM  5 years ago
Aaron29

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We are losing some big names, but as long as a market exists at all, there will be someone interested in being the provider.

Funtech and OS produce mufflers. It's not the end of the world.

In the heli world we have LOTS of new names for every name that goes under. The fact is, many of the old big names aren't innovating to stay alive. Miniature Aircraft, Thundertiger, Hirobo, big name companies are practically anonymous, now.

Yet still we fly.

Bottom line. We will be OK.

Heck, someone might buy Hatori.
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06-18-2015 09:54 PM  5 years ago
bigwave

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Electrics
The last few heli's I had and the last few planks I have flown are electrics, the one thing I did not miss is having to clean all that caster and synthetic oil off of everything. But, I did like the work-shop smell of it.
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06-18-2015 09:59 PM  5 years ago
Aaron29

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Hatori offered a good product but at boutique prices in a market where only slightly lesser offerings could be had for nearly half the cost.
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06-18-2015 10:05 PM  5 years ago
bigwave

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My last
My last nitro heli had a Hatori on it, My last was a JR 50 Vibe (OS 50) she was a beast. I also had a Caliber 30 with a Hatori on it. I bought them both used but in like new shape, I must be honest, I would not have spent the money on the Hitori pipe but they did look and sound nice.
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06-18-2015 10:19 PM  5 years ago
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I ran Hatori for a while, too. The JK 50 version. And a two piece before that. Then, recently, I got a Funtech.

Honestly, I like the Funtech. I like the easy tuning, smooth sound. One piece design. And of course the price. I have a Funtech on my SDX that used to run a Hatori. The difference between the mufflers was so unsubstantial that I absolutely don't even think about it until a thread like this shows up.
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06-18-2015 10:24 PM  5 years ago
bigwave

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Didn't make any difference to me, my skills were not good enough to notice a .0075% increase in power.
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06-18-2015 10:29 PM  5 years ago
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And that's true for 99% of people here. Whether their ego wants to admit it or not.
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06-19-2015 12:26 AM  5 years ago
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I thought Hatori also makes pipes for airplanes.
They did...and exhaust headers, too.

Had several....but then another company started to make CF pipes which were significantly lighter.

When one "soft mounted" the engine mount to the firewall(reduces airframe vibes)...the long term effect was to fracture the Hatori header at the exhaust flange.

Didn't consider it a defect, just the physical situation.

Always preferred Hatori headers over Mac headers, as the Macs were made of thinner aluminum and would fracture that much easier.

Knew the exact length of the particular Hatori header I used(rear exhaust type) so I could just trim the length right out of the package without testing...would be very close when the setup was tested.

The good ol' days....
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06-19-2015 12:37 AM  5 years ago
Aaron29

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the long term effect was to fracture the Hatori header at the exhaust flange.
If that's the good old days, I'm glad they are over.
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06-19-2015 01:09 AM  5 years ago
EEngineer

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Well, what do you do?

Just throw on a header and pipe, hoping you got the length correct?

Not bothering to "port" the header exhaust?....
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