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06-03-2015 02:32 AM  4 years ago
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dustyattic

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WHAT has happened to the heli world in 3 years??
The last time I messed with RC helicopters was early 2013. Yesterday I decided to dust off my old beater Hawk Pro, and see if your skills decline after a few years of inactivity.

So it was going great till the engine died at high speed, in a low altitude hard turn. So, I went shopping for a new tail boom and skids.

To the point- What has happened to the Nitro heli market? I could only find one place that sells Century parts. There are no used for sale on auctions. I have an old JR hanging in the shop, do they even sell JR parts anymore? I also have a never flown Ely-Q 50, I guess I can forget parts for that as well?

I enjoyed a Raptor 30 a few years back. Where did they go? I went to TT site, and found drones and submarines, but no nitro heli smaller than 50. Is the Raptor 30 dead?

So did nitro helis fade in favor of electric, or am I just looking in the wrong place after a 3 year break?
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06-03-2015 03:47 AM  4 years ago
michael88997

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Yeah man a lot has changed... Nitro is still hanging on but just by a thread. There are only a few companies that still make helis even... Electrics have taken over just cause lipos are cheaper now, so much more power and simple.

Century is basically gone, TT like most other companies don't really make any new Nitros either
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06-03-2015 04:04 AM  4 years ago
turboomni

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Multi rotors have taken over the market. From a manufacturing standpoint there are far fewer parts and moving parts than a heli , 3 or more motors with props on a frame with a brain. And it is fly by wire so anyone can fly one unlike a helicopter. Push a button to return to home. Profit margins must be much higher than a parts ridden helicopter. Smooth power for photography ,,it will hover itself at any altitude and position , They need no real mechanical setup ,etc etc,,
Too bad,,I wish they could co exist but they seem to be taking over.
Geeze ,,I wonder why?? LOL,,,
Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly far better than I can pilot them
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06-03-2015 04:39 AM  4 years ago
billybob

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I smell the emergence of a nitro vs electric thread.
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06-03-2015 04:44 AM  4 years ago
turboomni

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I don't """ smell the emergence of a nitro vs electric thread."""
I smell a gasser ,nitro ,electric heli vs multi rotor thread or better yet threat,,
Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly far better than I can pilot them
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06-03-2015 02:32 PM  4 years ago
bkervaski

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Nitro is still hanging on but just by a thread
This isn't true at all .. everybody at our field flies nitro .. there are also quite a few of new nitro heli kits out there ..

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06-03-2015 02:41 PM  4 years ago
michael88997

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This isn't true at all .. everybody at our field flies nitro .. there are also quite a few of new nitro heli kits out there ..
ok lets take a poll at IRCHA and see how many nitros compared to electrics are there... yes people still have nitros but not even close to how many electrics are out... and on new kits there is the gaui nx7, what else is new within the last year?
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06-03-2015 02:45 PM  4 years ago
don s

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Nitro is hanging on by many threads.E820, Raptor G4N, X50F/E, E620, Forza 450, and some planks.
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06-03-2015 02:53 PM  4 years ago
HugeOne

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Yesterday, I took my TDR for a spin after the dead season.
I flew my quads all winter long and getting back to CP was a breath of fresh air. However, after landing I disengaged the TDR by putting the left stick in the lower left corner, ouch. Only damage was a set of tails, but I felt dumb.

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06-03-2015 03:03 PM  4 years ago
bkervaski

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Last year at IRCHA there was a notable increase of nitro vs the previous year.Team Synergy Factory Specialist / Scorpion / Thunder Power / Byron's Fuels
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06-03-2015 03:09 PM  4 years ago
michael88997

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Tons of great options for someone getting back in. Everything is better.
yup that is true... if you want a "30 size" the nx4 is basically the only option, gaui also has a gas engine for it as well which I have seen and it flies extremely good.
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06-03-2015 03:37 PM  4 years ago
Four Stroker

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Are there more or less nitro's flying than in 2000 ? GMP and MA never really sold that many helicopters. When they stop making nitro engines it's all over.
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06-03-2015 03:50 PM  4 years ago
fastflyer20

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Well lets help him out on the nitro front, add to the list any that I missed:

As in any market, the weak diminish and the strong move up the ladder.

Align still has the 600 and 700 nitro. They do seem to be taking a back seat lately as less shops are carrying parts.

Since Matt Botos bought them, Synergy has come on strong with the N5c and N7. Very good quality and support.

As mentioned, Gaui has the NX4, but OS stopped making the 37 nitro engine. The GO gas engine has worked for some, but not for others. They also have the NX7. They seem similar to Align in design/quality - the "Chevy" of heli's.

JR is in the process of separating from Horizon Hobby and setting up their own USA distribution, JR America. They still have the Vibe 50 and seem to be making a push back into offering more than just radios.

Avant has released the Mostro Nitro 700. Unfortunately, parts quality and supply are still an issue with them.

Century is focusing on mulit-rotor, collective heli parts and support is going down hill.
Tom
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06-03-2015 04:05 PM  4 years ago
michael88997

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As mentioned, Gaui has the NX4, but OS stopped making the 37 nitro engine. The GO gas engine has worked for some, but not for others. They also have the NX7. They seem similar to Align in design/quality - the "Chevy" of heli's.
I never actually got a verification from OS but I reached out to them on that.. word from empire is they are still producting the 37 with gaui badges just not the os badge anymore...

I have never owned or seen one but heard good things on TSA helis and they have a 600 and 700 as well
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06-03-2015 04:18 PM  4 years ago
turboomni

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Here is some good news. I received a very positive email from the new owners of Miniature Aircraft in Germany.

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thank you for your mail.
6 weeks ago, the inventory of MA arrived and till now we are sorting and counting over 2000 different parts.
In parallel we started production of parts.
The reconfiguration of the original domain miniatureaircraftusa.com is in work. If it is complete we go online with a new website.

Regards,
Josef
Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly far better than I can pilot them
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06-03-2015 04:48 PM  4 years ago
Dr.Ben

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Synergy et al are really quite at the mercy of the engine mfg's. There are nice kits to buy and guys to buy them, but companies like OS are finding it increasingly difficult to offset and justify new engine R&D. It is fortunate that engines like the OS55 and 105 run well, because there is nothing pending to replace them. I remember when I flew for YS years back we used to have to order engines a full six month ahead of time to MAYBE get two if we ordered two but often would only get one. Nowadays you can pretty much buy as many of a given engine as you want from either OS or YS and from many dealers. Demand is down. It has to be down because the total numbers of folks in the hobby has not grown by leaps and bounds, there is a lot of electrics out there now, and it's not like everyone doubled their fleet by adding electrics; a lot of those electrics replaced glow models. Down Bill's way nitro flyers are quite active. In my club, nitro is all but absent. Just depends on where you live.

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06-03-2015 06:14 PM  4 years ago
jhartsock3

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I fly at three different clubs in my area, two have other heli pilots. And I would say yes there is a decline in nitro going on. Two of the clubs I'm the only one who flys a nitro heli and the other a heli club there are a few more. But even with me electrics are a majority of my fleet with one lone nitro. For me it has been the price of fuel that has caused the change as I much prefer to fly nitro as opposed to electric.
But I think the change has a lot to do with the plane side as well when I go to the field now I see most of the 60size and smaller plane guys on eletric, and larger on gas. With less of them buying fuel my local H.S. is down on there fuel orders which means higher price per gallon cause of the lower quantity to spread the cost of shipping over. Which as the price per gallon goes up more and more find it more economical to make the switch to elec and the spiral continues.
Locally for the brand I fly wildcat fuel if bought by the gallon is 42.00. Now luckily I live with in an hour of AMA grounds and big events bring fuel manufactures so I can buy cases at a time at reasonable prices still. But fuel prices, maint cost, and mess. Is the main reasons I get when I ask why don't you fly nitro.
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06-03-2015 06:35 PM  4 years ago
Cobra 46

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Audacity sells a nitro Heli ,
Its from Florida I think .
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06-03-2015 06:55 PM  4 years ago
turboomni

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I smell the emergence of a nitro vs electric thread.
You were right billybob!!!! Here we go again,,,,,
Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly far better than I can pilot them
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06-03-2015 07:15 PM  4 years ago
dchekas

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Nitro is on the rise in the Northeast, more so in the last two years.

The majority of pilots I've flown with at my local fields are all flying Nitro.

We as a group have encouraged many new pilots to purchase Nitro's as well. It still remains my belief that a .50 class nitro is the ideal helicopter to learn everything from basic flying to aggressive 3D.

The cummulative experience with Nitro engines at our clubs has really helped encourage new pilots to try it out.

For those new pilots that have zero local help, learning to properly tune your engine and work through issues can quickly become a nightmare that would otherwise be very easy to solve with an experienced pilot.

I think in order to promote Nitro again, we the community need a better way of mentoring new pilots so the learning curve isn't so intimidating. I've got a few ideas in the works for this summer.
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